[ SECRET POST #1216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1216 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[kelleah.livejournal.com]

I'm with you on the majority of what you said except this part here:

I have seen ESL people with a better grasp of English than native speakers. I think it's fucking sad.

That's not sad at all. Actually, it's pretty common for a person to have a better grasp of the mechanics of a second language than their mother tongue. Why? Because you approach your native language with a tabula rasa that allows you to learn to communicate in small, familial steps that are conversational and are not necessarily restricted to the rigors of "proper" speech and communication. In other words, you learn how it is spoken first, then how it is spoken and written properly second.

When you learn a second language, it's the opposite. Plus, you are often in an academic setting where you are constantly corrected on what constitutes "proper" speech and writing for that particular language. Simply put, there are social and environmental factors in place in one scenario that aren't in place in the other.

I think if you were to talk to those ESL students in their native tongue, they probably wouldn't speak that language with the same attention to proper rules of grammar, syntax, and elocution as they speak the English language.

Sorry to be nitpicky, but I just wanted to correct that misconception.

[cykotyks.livejournal.com]

You've got a point, but I still think it's ridiculous when native speakers don't even know or understand some of the basics of their own language. I admit to being an English geek - it's a love-hate relationship. I know English is a ridiculously complicated and evolving language, but I'm still trying to preserve the heart of it. Even so, I sometimes speak like an idiot. I wouldn't expect a native speaker to speak formally and completely properly in their mother tongue, but I would expect them to at least understand that they speak informally, and if they had the proper level of education, I would also expect them to understand how to speak formally.