[ SECRET POST #1216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1216 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 15 pages, 351 secrets from Secret Submission Post #174.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - empty comments ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But rape fantasies are the reason women are raped, aren't they? By fantasizing about rape, I'm condoning it in real life and excusing men for their actions. I should take responsibility for it.

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

No, of course not. I think we may have met before. But I still think that using a traumatic occurrence in someone's life and fictionalizing it could have unforeseen circumstances that resonate outside of fandom, something that goes for rape, war, murder, abuse. Fiction and real life are different, but have their linkages.

[(Anonymous)]

unforeseen circumstances?

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Unforeseen consequences is what I meant.

[(Anonymous)]

Such as?

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

Well, bb, there's a reason they are "unforeseen". Fiction and the internet do not exist in a vacuum. It would be naive and erroneous to try to make the case that fiction and reality are causal variables, but it would be equally naive to believe that fiction has absolutely no impact on real life, either. We're at a time where a large grey area begins to form, mostly due to the age of information and the wide access to, well, anything you might want. It's uncharted territory.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, why am I even bothering with that.


Are you actually claiming that people shouldn't fictionalize traumatic experiences because of these 'unforeseen consequences'?

Hi sorry that's what fiction is. That's what stories are it's what they're for. The reason they exist is to make life seem brighter than it really is. The entire point of fiction is to glorify and embellish on all aspects of life, to make people question and think or let go and dream. Without that, there's no point to it. Stories are about human suffering and the human condition, provoking feelings and thoughts is their only purpose. And you think that's wrong?

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

You are putting words in my mouth again. I don't think it's "wrong", and that people "shouldn't" fictionalize traumatic experiences. Hello, I am not the fiction police here. If you're the person I think you are, you should stop trolling and judging me for voicing an opinion as to how I find it worrying that fiction is turning more and more towards sensationalizing the worst in the human life. Half of the shows on TV are about murders (which I happen to love watching), and in fandom there is a large portion of fics and art dedicated to having unpleasant things happen to characters. And you're judging me because that concerns me. And it's about what kind of thoughts and feelings that are provoking. Most fiction, let's take rape, since it's your pet topic; most fics aren't about the survival, about moving on, about coping, about finding closure (some are, I;ll grant you that). A lot of rape fics are about the act itself, written often for sexual gratification. There is nothing wrong with that. Kinks are kinks, sexuality is what it is, people will get turned on by what they get turned on. But having a large portion of fiction that attempts to completely divorces the real life implications of what they are writing about with the real life, which is what it is modeled after, yes, it does cause me to frown. It's too easy to say, "Oh, that's just fiction. It doesn't affect real life". No, not always.

[(Anonymous)]

someday, you will learn there is value in not taking fiction as serious business all the time

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

I don't, not all the time. I watch Bones and CSI and SVU, same as everyone else. But I try not to live my life with eyes wide shut either. Fiction comes from somewhere.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll bite, who do you think I am?

It concerns you, because you think there's something wrong with people writing about trauma and suffering, because you think there's something wrong with people examining the human experience through fiction, an experience that often includes pain. It concerns you because you think life imitates fiction and not the other way around.

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

I think it is a cycle - life and fiction don't cause each other, but they are linked and can feed within one another. There is nothing WRONG with people writing about trauma and suffering: some of my favorite shows, movies and books deal entirely with those subjects. There's a difference between portraying it and sensationalizing it, but even if there weren't, there is a huge focus in fiction on the worst parts of life, a focus that's gratuitous and often has no purpose or greater lessons than to just entertain us. Do I judge you? No. Of course not. Do I think it's normal? Absolutely. Does the fact that it is normal bother me? Yeah, it kinda does.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay then, serious question. Do you mean to be condescending, or is it completely unintentional. Because when you say "I don't judge you, it's normal, you can't help it" that sounds really condescending. It's like you think it's something embarrassing and shameful that I should be fighting against, but which is easy to give in to.

And I don't view it that way at all. I would be upset if anyone passed a law saying I can't read about death and pain and suffering. Yes, it's because I've been socially conditioned to consider it normal, all of that. I would be upset if my friend died, too, and that's because I've been socially conditioned to consider that bad, all of that, too.

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

Mmkay, not seeing the friend dying analogy, really. And what I meant by it's normal you can't help it, is most people can't help what they are attracted to. They simply are. There's a person in the secrets above who has a Nazi fetish; some people have a rape kink. They can't help being attracted to it (they might not even want to 'help' it), it's what they find sexy. I never meant to imply that it's wrong, or shameful - didn't mean it to be condescending. A lot of people when talking about their rape kink say, "It's what I find arousing, I can't help it", which is what I took it from. I don't mean to be condescending to anyone.

I find that the pervasiveness of violence of any kind - sexual, verbal, physical - in today's media gives me pause. Does that mean I'm pushing for censoring laws? Hell to the no. I'm part of that culture too. I watch NCIS, I cheer when they give the smackdown on the bad guy, I'm happy in Law and Order when someone gets told, etc, etc. I read books where the main character dies, is put through hell, suffers and doles out violence. But yeah, when I take a step back, look at media as a whole, look at how much there is, how popular rape fiction, for example is (something I don't find appealing myself, but I'm not the censor police, it's not like I want it all SHUT DOWN AND SCRUBBED OFF DA INTERWEBS) and when I really look at it all on a macro level, well then yeah, I get worried. "is this healthy for society? What kind of ramifications, if any, does this have on real life?" I ask myself these questions. And yeah, some of the answers I find concern me. But does that mean I think "rape fiction makes men rape women and it excuses men from being rapists" (like I've been accused of before)? Absolutely. Not.

[crystalzelda.livejournal.com]

And I don't specifically know who you are, but I had a similar conversation about this a while back with someone else who's trolled me a couple of times since about this subject. I'm simply wondering if it's you.