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fandomsecrets2010-09-19 05:01 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2010-09-19 05:01 pm
[ SECRET POST #1355 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1355 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Kinda like how you'd adjust doses of a certain medicine for different people with different conditions-- trying to apply western medicine to acupuncture doesn't work. They're different. You might not think it works, but people have been using it for millenia and the fact that it's managed to stick around so long means that it's worked for a whole chunk of people. I can speak from personal experience about a lot of things I've seen acupuncture do, but I doubt it'll make a difference to you.
If the doctor put your contraceptive in wrong, newsflash! It wouldn't work. Or it'd be massively uncomfortable, at the very least.
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Yes, it's called the placebo effect, and it works pretty damn well. There's no evidence that acupuncture is significantly better than a placebo but that doesn't mean it 'doesn't work', only that it doesn't work well enough to be legally licensed as medicine.
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I don't speak for everyone, but I have personally seen Acupuncture serve more than a placebo effect, and that's good enough for me.
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How can you see something serve more than a placebo effect? Honest question - I don't understand how that's possible unless you're conducting your own randomised medical trials at home. If something works, it works, and unless you're involved in medical testing surely there's no way to know whether it works due to a placebo effect or due to a real intrinsic effect?
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I'm a massage therapist. I get a lot of clients that combine my line of work with their doctors and/or their acupuncturists. It's part of my job to detect muscular changes if I've been seeing clients long enough, so I guess I am involved somewhat.
If you want a specific case though, I'll give the one that swayed me. I've a client that's been quadriplegic for the last 18 years. His normal routine involved a plethora of medication with varied results--overall though, he suffered pretty badly.
Long story short, he tried acupuncture and felt much more relief than he'd felt in a long while. The reason he figured it wasn't a placebo effect is because something weird happened--as he continued with the acupuncture, he noticed that he could start feeling muted sensation in his extremities when he couldn't feel anything before. Certainly not enough to move the limbs on his own, but odd in that he went from feeling nothing to being able to sense pressure and temperature to some degree--and the only thing that changed in his normal pattern was the acupuncture.
He's continued to improve since then, thankfully, and has incorporated other alternative therapies into his lifestyle (like my own, for example). I was curious when he told me about this as well, because I'm pretty skeptical myself, but he proved to me that he wasn't faking the ability to feel in his legs. He can tell exactly what part of the leg I am touching without being able to see where I am, and I don't mean general description either. He can tell which toe, which tendon, etc.
I understand that everyone else can look at this as hearsay, but I see this guy every week. I can't do that, not when I can see and feel the results myself. His physical condition in addition to that of the rest of my clients is enough proof for me to see that acupuncture, when performed by someone who knows what they're doing, can be a very effective form of pain relief.
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Page 7 has a pretty nice MRI scan of real acupuncture and sham acupuncture effects on the brain, too. 99% of acupuncture points come within .5mm of major nerve endings, and sticking a needle into any random place won't produce the same effects. Just sayin'.
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acupuncture isn't JUST sticking a needle into a point and then hoping it works. if you're gonna cling to a website called badscience after i linked a harvard med school study, i dunno what your definition of science is.
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You are using one study to decree that all acupuncture is used for is a placebo effect, which is flawed reasoning. I don't think anyone ever stated that for some people, it wasn't a placebo effect. However, that is not the case for everyone. Pyrat just gave you a study that showed acupuncture yielding actual, measurable benefits.
So this basically suggests that Acupuncture is like most medicine (Eastern and Western), results may vary from person to person, lol. Acupuncture can benefit both the believer and the skeptic, depending on the acupuncturist's level of skill as well as the source of the pain.