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[ SECRET POST #142 ]

⌈ Secret Post #142 ⌋

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#6, #11 - and I suspect this isn't gonna exactly make me Little Miss Popular, but to play Devil's Advocate...

I almost joined that RP as well because I thought the premise was absolute love, but I'm really, really glad I didn't. Largely because I'm already sick to death of hearing about it. And all I do is read the posts to this community - and, speaking as an outsider, a lot of the players do, to my mind, come off as cliquish and perhaps a little arrogant. Maybe that's the point, maybe it isn't, but either way it doesn't exactly make me feel wild about the prospect of signing up.

This doesn't mean that I think you guys should be desperately unhappy that you missed me, mind - of course I don't think that. Still, if I find the somewhat insular attitude some of the players display here to be offputting enough to want to steer clear of the community, there might well be others who think the same way. Not all publicity is good publicity.

I still think the premise is love, though.

Also, #15, I wouldn't spend that much on a single outfit for myself, never mind for a freakin' doll.

Sorry to hear that. If it helps, most of us met literally uhhh like, a week ago, and we're so comfortable with each other that we're randomly spamming PENIS and accusing each other of being pedophiles. *dies* I can see where the "group of friends" idea comes in, but... that's because it's true! We just made friends -through- the RP rather than starting it up as one.

Sorry about the wank, if I had reason to pull those secrets, I would. Nothing in the rules against it, though.

There's no need to apologize - it's not exactly the fault of the players I'm tired of hearing about it. We have had rather a lot of ACAW secrets through lately, both good, bad, and ugly, and I can understand the instinct to want to defend something you love when you feel it's been unfairly treated. (You can trust me on this one, I'm in the Weiss Kreuz fandom, for my sins.) It's not even that surprising, given that it's a large RP and this community is pretty strongly associated with the RP for all it's not affiliated with it, and the fact that the same people mod this community as ACAW means that it's almost understandable people are using this as an excuse to vent without having to attatch their screennames to it.

It's still got the potential to become kind of annoying for us innocent bystanders, though.

I like to believe that I'm a reasonable person - normally I wouldn't say anything. It's got absolutely nothing to do with me if RP friendships spill over onto this comm and again, it would be pretty damn stupid of me to imagine they'd do anything but. Nobody's going to pretend not to know and like someone just because it might make a total stranger feel kind-of on the outs with it all. I simply felt, since I could see where the posters of those secrets were coming from and they were causing a bit of a stir - most of which wasn't (to put it politely) terribly supportive - that I should try and explain why I agreed with them...

Right, but the way I see it, they're the ones kind of CAUSING the stir in the first place? It's one thing to go "I kind of feel left-out because it seems like there are cliques in this RP I'm in" and another to directly target a specific RP and call -everyone- in it full of themselves, you know?

God, I just wish they'd TELL me, or somebody would LET ME KNOW what the heck is wrong instead of just randomly vaguely bitching about "people sucking" or something. Augh.

... /rant, sorry.

I can understand that. It's worrying how many people don't actually think of the implications of what they write. In my experience, blanket statements are something you've gotta be very careful with...

Also, if the first comment I made came across as accusing you all of arrogance just for playing ACAW - well, ack, mea culpa, and I apologize for that. There's no excuse for that kind of statement, and if I came across as thinking that I'm sorry. Still, I can only go by what I've seen on this comm, and I have been a little - well, worried? by the way some of the ACAW players react to criticism of just about anything to do with the game. It sometimes (though not always) seems like a serious discussion is off-limits, because of the tendency some players have to dogpile the game's critics.

While a little passion in players is certainly not a bad thing, it's not healthy to stifle criticism or try and keep it all under wraps. The problem is, a lot of people have the natural instinct to act like everything's peachy in front of authority figures (and a mod is an authority figure, even if they themselves choose not to act like one) and restrict their complaining to private conversations, or keep things general because they don't want to hurt a specific person's feelings (and so end up obliquely insulting everybody). That said, if people keep dogpiling anyone who criticizes the game, it seems to me like the problem's just gonna get worse, because people are going to get worried to say anything for fear of the reaction...

This has happened in just about every RP I've ever been in. It's sometimes easier to pretend a problem is general than to specifically target a certain player or group. (In the last RP I was in, damn near everyone had a problem with the way one player was handling her character, but it took a lot of nerve to even admit to each other that we had a problem, never mind to tell the mod.) I know it's not good behavior, but a lot of people shy away from confrontation and would rather just unconstructively bitch. Humans, eh?

I don't really see anybody dogpiling -- I mean, sure, they're all going to have their say but... really, the smart thing to do would be to AVOID the dogpiling by contacting a mod privately through AIM or something to tell them what's wrong. I just do not see the logic of all this here and auugh, it's just annoying for -everybody-. Well except maybe the secret poster. ):

Bah, humans. Robots > all.

... yeah, I think this is the crux of the issue. The logical thing to do would be to contact a mod and hash this out privately. People, however, are not logical. In fact, a goodly amount of the time people are just plain dumb. (Plus, some of them would rather just complain and get it off their chest and move on than actually do anything about it.) It might also be that the person in question was just after venting: sometimes all that anyone really needs to do about an issue is blow off steam and that's it, problem over. Perhaps doing it here wasn't the smartest idea but - yeah, it's all coming down to 'People are Stupid' again.

Maybe a mod post is in order. With the mods' screen names written in big scrolling sparkly letters so nobody can miss them or imagine you're trying to hide from them. I can understand it's frustrating to try and be accessible and still see people complaining in .png images of 800 by 800 pixels or less... Hm, maybe if you were to set up a free journal called something like 'acaw_feedback', posted like, one entry in the same way you do for secret submissions here - though the replies would probably have to be left visible - and allowed anonymous commenting, if people would perhaps be a bit more forthcoming with their problems? That could allow them a way to make their issues heard without necessarily feeling they had to attach a player name to their problems.

I can't be any more specific about what their problems are, mind, since my own issues are a horse of a completely different color, small-scale, and also largely resolved.

I've tried that, even kinda made chat rooms inviting everybody to voice ANY opinion or suggestion they had about ACAW good OR bad. Nothing worked. Trust me, we've like gone out of our way to TRY and contact these people but...

(lolol randomly, if you read any of the comment spams by the ACAW players here it's seriously just them yelling PENIS PENIS PENIS at each other gaehtjkgahekjtgaet ... or that's what it turns into, anyway. we're kind of all crackheads)

http://stoptazmo.com/death_note/ ?

In which case I'm guessing that - well, maybe people just like to complain? (Not a very helpful idea, that.) Either that or they're deliberately trying to stir wank, and if that's the case I'm gonna forget trying to see things their way. If I agree with them then eh, whatever, but forget defending them. I do not like trolls, largely because well, if they don't like something that's fine, nobody says they have to, but why does it matter if someone else does?

(This is probably a hangover from being in a less-popular fandom a lot of people only seem to be able to admit to enjoying if they label it a guilty pleasure... ah well.)

Also, don't worry about being a crackhead. I think we all have moments like that; I'll just know to ignore the spam in future. Not like I have to look if I don't want to. And I still think your RP's premise is absolutely made of love, and the idea of having three separate communities to (theoretically, though plenty of people seem to play characters on both sides) keep the factions separate and allow for proper plotting strikes me as absolutely - well, why don't more RPs think of taking advantage of that? That's a great way round the old problem of characters knowing things they shouldn't.

Thanks for the link, by the way! I'll have to run through them sometime when it's not two in the morning...

Also, word to 15. *Dies*

I am arrogant. And I damn well admit it.

But if we came across as cliquish, then you only have the roleplay to blame. Case already said why.

IM MORE ARROGANT THAN U

HELL NAH

I OWN UR MOM SO I WIN THIS ROUND, SUCKA

MY DOG OWNS MY MOM, YOU CANT HAVE HER

YEAH WELL, I OWN UR DOG TOO.

NO YOU DON'T MY DOG IS RIGHT H --

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Who's owning now. 8DDD

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