Case (![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
case) wrote in ![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
fandomsecrets2011-01-02 04:20 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-01-02 04:20 pm
[ SECRET POST #1461 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1461 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
01.
__________________________________________________
02.
__________________________________________________
03.
__________________________________________________
04.
__________________________________________________
05.
__________________________________________________
06.
__________________________________________________
07.
__________________________________________________
08.
__________________________________________________
09.
__________________________________________________
10.
__________________________________________________
11.
__________________________________________________
12.
__________________________________________________
13.
__________________________________________________
14.
__________________________________________________
15.
__________________________________________________
16.
__________________________________________________
17.
__________________________________________________
18.
__________________________________________________
19.
__________________________________________________
20.
__________________________________________________
21.
__________________________________________________
22.
__________________________________________________
23.
__________________________________________________
24.
__________________________________________________
25.
__________________________________________________
26.
__________________________________________________
27.
__________________________________________________
28.
__________________________________________________
29.
__________________________________________________
30.
__________________________________________________
31.
__________________________________________________
32.
__________________________________________________
33.
__________________________________________________
34.
__________________________________________________
35.
__________________________________________________
36.
__________________________________________________
37.
__________________________________________________
38.
__________________________________________________
39.
__________________________________________________
40.
__________________________________________________
41.
__________________________________________________
42.
__________________________________________________
43.
__________________________________________________
44.
__________________________________________________
45.
__________________________________________________
46.
__________________________________________________
47.
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 303 secrets from Secret Submission Post #209.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: I need more TRON icons! D:
I think that maybe Clu2 could have redesigned a few things, considering he was made to be like Kevin? Obviously he has limitations since he is not a User- but.. that is actually a really good question! The ISOs seemed to be capable of creating their own designs for their buildings, with a more organic looking shell shape to them. Maybe Clu2 was limited by what Kevin could program into him.
I don't know if the vehicles are programs, just digital constructs that require program input to function? All the different vehicles (granted all we see is limited to just the recognizers, the tanks in that one brief view, light cycles and light jets) all required programs or users to activate and use them.
Aaaaaaah yes yes yes--! I found the article-- B-man's name is actually Bartik. :D http://community.livejournal.com/tron_legacy/102993.html#cutid1
And I have talked a bit about what constitutes a de-rezzing with my friends-- since we are actually tossing the idea around of creating an RP based on it for a drawing site called Tegaki E. What we decided for that RP, at least-- that derezzing only happens when a program is struck a mortal blow. This doesn't really explain the sneering guy with half his head missing-- but maybe for programs getting hit in the head is not a mortal wound like it would be for us humans. It seems to be more of a chest/torso impact than anything. They can seem to survive without ID disks, or get them replaced, since there didn't seem to be much of a reaction to Sam not having one.
no subject
Vehicles definitely aren't programs. I always kind of thought of them as files - things programs use to get what they need to do or what the user needs to do done. System files, maybe, since they're used for overall structure vs. small specialized files for something like a pen that an art program needs to sketch with. (although fandom seems to not even think about the file issue, much - Daft Punk are widely viewed as MP3s which makes little sense to me. They're definitely music programs.)
I'd say you're right about derezzing; to go from that: Most of their crucial code is stored in their torso area. Arms, legs, head - all less essential programming that the program can 'live' without, though it certainly impedes their function. For some reason I've always thought that the guy who had half a head probably had memory malfunctions and problems recalling the things he needed to do his functions. Identity discs definitely give them their code originally, but they seem to be separate entities, almost like id cards more than anything else (re: forged discs); perhaps one disc could even give more than one "body" the same exact programming.
/jacking thread, eel won't mind
no subject
I noticed the Daft Punk = mp3s, which confused me-- that would mean they are only one song. Plus with the white/silver outfits I thought it was pretty obvious that they were the Grid's version of iTunes. They were pretty much a Macintosh symbol away from dual personifications of it, in my eyes!
The crucial code being stored in their torso also makes sense as to why Quorra managed to survive. Though the point you bring up about the forged discs and exact programming is really interesting. Imagine the kinds of stories and switch-a-roo plots you could make with that!
no subject
mmrgh. I hate comparing them to iTunes (my hated music program of choice) but... definitely programs. Speaking of their outfits - and one reason I've people label them as mp3s - they're very different than anything we see anyone else wearing. I know that it's because they (or their normal costumers, anyways) designed those vs. the costumers of the movie, but I can't help but wonder what it could mean program-wise.
I always wondered what the forged discs would do - seeing as the discs always seem to show a headshot of its "user" when it pops up, are they really just ID cards? But at the same time, they can be altered and therefore alter the program they're attached to, so wouldn't a forged disc actually create a new program and not just mask the original one? Or are the forged discs merely look-a-like copies that store no code but look like discs so a. you don't get picked up for having no disc but b. you can be "restored" from your copy on the disc?
For that matter, how does that work? Quorra gave her disc to Flynn and Sam, supposedly to protect her code, but other programs do the same and don't give them to Users (who could easily resurrect or create new programs) - does this mean that an identity disc can recreate a program from the moment it was detached from said program? Or is it only so that if they are captured, the enemy cannot see their experiences (and therefore allies, etc)?
no subject
I think maybe Daft Punk's designs were made with the knowledge that their cameo would be in a fairly fast-paced/actiony part of the movie, so they needed something to stick out? Not saying that they would be easily missed but I guess if someone didn't know, they might not catch it? They were the only ones beside Rinzler that never showed their faces, after all.
I imagined that a forged disk would maybe be like... an altered record? The process would be removing incriminating information from the disc or encrypting it so it was not immediately seen. Like say Program A derezzed Program B, gets a forged disc, Black Guard can't immediately access the "murder" data and Progam A successfully clears a security checkpoint or something. Though it also begs the question how much a program can alter another's identity disc, such as adding information or knowledge-- or is that something only a User can do?
no subject
I have no idea. Of course, like many movie decisions, it probably means nothing in the universe. It is canon that programs can have different clothes etc from what I hear, so it could easily just be that.
I don't believe programs can actually alter identity discs (with the exception of Clu) but encryption might work. Some sort of complicated code-hiding so that the code is hidden and it doesn't look immediately like it is? That would be difficult and require a certain level of skill - and therefore a certain type of program that Clu could target. SO MANY QUESTIONS, SO LITTLE TIME.
no subject
THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART ABOUT FANDOM the speculating and discussion!
no subject
Well hi there o/
no subject
no subject
Re: I need more TRON icons! D:
Watch it on YouTube! Some awesome person uploaded it in HD, it's how I saw it. :D
In my head, the ISOs break all the rules. After all, they represent unlimited possibility. They weren't written for a specific function the way programs are, so they aren't bound by User programming. I bet they totally did design their own buildings.
I like the idea that they're system files, like sym said--picking up a lightcycle baton could be like a file transfer! I do vaguely remember something (I think I read it on the blurb for a toy?? idk) about lightcycles automatically de-rezzing without a rider, so I think that's canon. Though Flynn's lightcycle breaks that rule. I wonder if it's more USER MAGIC going on there, or something else.
Ooh, Bartik sounds like a cool name! And quite an interesting read, thanks! :D I especially love the thing about Rinzler--he very much exemplifies how darker the system is with Clu in charge. Oh, Tron--nothing can convince me that the Sea of Simulation didn't magically fix you and you survived at the end.
I love the idea of the head not being the part with the "brain" in it! In my main fandom, Transformers, I like thinking about the possibility of where they could put all their processors, since they're robots from space and don't have to be exact human analogues. Their most vital coding/processing could be somewhere better protected than the head! It could even be spread out all over their bodies! That would be super cool. (Sadly TFs usually end up having all their "brains" in their heads anyway, oh well.)
ID discs confuse the hell out of me. On the one hand, they store a lot of information in them, as evidenced by Clu looking through Sam's whole life by checking his disc. And you can alter a program or ISO's appearance, behavior, etc. by accessing their disc. It must be pretty important. And yet, you can get one forged. How does that even work?? Wouldn't putting on a forged disc essentially erase and replace all your memories?
Re: I need more TRON icons! D:
And even just discussing ID discs with security_sym has gotten me a bit confused, so you are not alone! I think though that a forged disc could work like a back-up copy? I also talked with sym about encrypting incriminating data, which makes a bit more sense as to why they would need to be forged in the first place. I don't know, really!
no subject
Plus, I could see Clu getting through and then just freaking out at the way everything is coated with dust. Somehow I doubt he'd be able to cope with all the imperfect stuff like that. It kind of detracted from the tension of the climax, haha.
The more I think about forged discs, the more I come to the conclusion that the writers... didn't really think about that one too much. XD I'm guessing it's some kind of fake one that doesn't actually access a program's code when they put it on, but can show code if you check it. Though I wonder what you would do with your real disc while you were wearing a forged one, somehow I doubt that programs routinely leave their discs lying around and that would be suspicious.