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[ SECRET POST #1522 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1522 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Because it is misogynistic. This doesn't mean that it's the end of the world and the biggest issue ever, but it is misogynistic, and there's no point pretending it is not.

Also, I doubt that as many people are fine with anyone being tortured as you think they are. Also, the double standard that men can somehow magically "take it" and women need to be protected? Is rooted in misogyny.

[identity profile] cyren-2132.livejournal.com 2011-03-04 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
This is where I apparently differ with a lot of feminists. Misogyny is about more than "something bad is happening to that woman, there." It's a mindset about women in general, no matter what.

So Dean calls a (demon-possessed) woman who's trying to destroy everything a bitch. Does that mean he thinks all women are bitches? Does that mean it's being a woman (versus being out to destroy humankind or whatever) that fuels that statement? I don't think so. And if it's not that, I have a hard time calling it misogyny.

Unfortunate? Yes, perhaps. Born and bred from a hatred of women? No.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Then why use a gendered term if not for the fact that it being gendered is insulting? He could be calling them, idk, "tree trunks", and a term completely bereft of sexualisation and femininity, and for that very reason, it is not a swearword.

Call someone male feminine? Insult.
Call someone male a woman? Insult.
Call someone an animal? Insult.
Call someone a female animal? Insult.
Call someone by the name of an animal that's supposedly sexual overactive AND female?
Stronger insult.
There you go. It would not have the same impact if it weren't for the gender component AND the sexualisation. It wouldn't work as an insult.

So yes, it IS rooted in a culturally coded hatred for women.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, and who wants characters to sound and act realistic, and to follow the (misogynistic) prejudices of the society they do live in?! That would just be insane!!

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
You're really slow, huh?

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Awww... are you still missing some more moralistic junk shoved down your throat?

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
THE ONLY RIGHT WAY TO PORTRAY SEXISM AND RACISM AND EVERY OTHER ISM IS TO NOT PORTRAY IT AT ALL. who needs accuracy? if TV is everyone hugging and loving each other and never doing anything bad, surely real life will follow.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I like transgression and uneasiness in my entertainment. Guess i'll just surrender to the authorities next... The Morality Patrol is knockin'.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
let's censor slavery from textbooks next. if they don't know, they can't perpetuate the culture right :D

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
BRB. Complaning about all the nazis in Shindler's List.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Insulting women doesn't make characters magically realistic. Especially not characters living in a universe where demons and angels and bodyswap and a fuckton of other unrealistic things are real.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
No, it doesn't make them magically realistic, but it helps set up a fuller character. And having a universe full of demons and angels is no excuse to turn a series in to a unicorn-farting-rainbows, cringe-inducing, self-righteous fest.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-05 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
You think characters who live in a universe where demons and angels and bodyswap and a fuckton of other unrealistic things wouldn't swear. I'm not much of a cusser, but I'd be screaming "fucks", "shits", "cunts" and all the horrible language I know if I were in the Winchester's situation (especially last season with the apocalypse coming). I'm surprised the Winchesters have kept it so civilized. (well there's the ratings to consider, but whatevs).

(Anonymous) 2011-03-04 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
^ listen to them

(Anonymous) 2011-03-05 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I don't think Dean has any real thoughts behind the insults he uses. For many people, the word "bitch" for a woman is as bad as "bastard" for men. (Heck, I didn't even know that bitch was seen as such an offensive, sexist term until someone on LJ told me). It's just a bunch of insults to him.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-05 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
I just have to point out here that it also works the other way. Calling someone who is female masculine is also an insult.

(Anonymous) 2011-03-05 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
He uses a gender word because it's a female demon. Just like he uses a male gender insult for the angels.

What other term could he use? I'd call a guy a "dumb bastard" or a "stupid asshole" but you don't generally use those for women.

Using a "female" insult or a "male" insult doesn't have to mean anything more than you're insulting a female or a male. (It can, of course--someone could use "bitch" totally misogynistically, but a teenage boy called me a "lapdog" of my boyfriend and "lapdog" isn't a swearword, but how he meant it turned it into one.)

It's like using "estúpida" or "estúpido" in Spanish--you're just using the right insult for the person, that's all.
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