[ SECRET POST #1544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1544 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's a problem that people who belong to hateful religions feel ashamed. I think it's great.

[(Anonymous)]

You are as narrow-minded as any religious bigot. Kudos.

[(Anonymous)]

This. A million times.

Congrats anon. You are now a fundamentalist.

[(Anonymous)]

Except you won't see me sending my children to anti-gay camps, or voting to restrict other people's rights, or trying to dictate what other people choose to do with their bodies. I am so glad if they are ashamed, I only wish they were ashamed enough to call out the disgusting and shameful behavior of the people they associate with. They are not ashamed ENOUGH.

I will call out hateful, hurtful behavior. I do not treat others as second-class citizens or support that treatment in law. You are trying to make two completely different things equitable, and you're showing yourself to be very simple and privileged in the attempt.

[(Anonymous)]

Except not every Christian does that. Nor does all of Christianity call for it.

I say this as a nonreligious person.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon I replied to said "fundamentalist".

Also, see my point about other Christians, those wonderful "good" Christians everyone's going on about, calling out the shitty behavior of those they supposedly share a religion with. If they don't shout that shit down, what good are they?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, because every religious person is anti-gay, anti-choice and a proponent of fascist, quasi-religious dictatorships.

Fundamentalism is not restricted to supporting that sort of treatment through legal actions. It is also the blatant intolerance that stems from any person, of ANY cultural denomination. If you support intolerance towards a group of people, while painting them all with the same, negative brush, then yes, in my eyes, you are a fundamentalist.

[quasiarti.livejournal.com]

Uhmmm what if they are ashamed to speak about because of the reaction people like you have on them ?

IAWTC

[(Anonymous)]

Ignore all the idiots replying to you, you have the right of it.

[(Anonymous)]

[interrobangings.livejournal.com]

that's like saying "all black people are bad because i got mugged by a black gang"

[(Anonymous)]

which is unfortunately how quite a lot of people think

[interrobangings.livejournal.com]

touche, anon

different anon

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, it's not like that at all.

See, a mugger is an accidental property of some black person. It's not a part of what defines the term "black person".

Hatefulness is an essential property of a "hateful religion". A hateful religion is hateful by definition, and people who are willingly a part of that religion, while they themselves aren't necessarily hateful, should be ashamed of willingly associating themselves with something that is.

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

not to mention that racism has a very long very sordid history of being supported by (either directly or through indifference) religion and religious culture (in this case, Christian/Christianity), particularly those who brought the religion to other countries/nations with the goal to convert.

anyone who has any simple kind of understanding of history, US in particular, can see that

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

This is a good point and you should feel good.

It's when people start saying all religions are hateful that the real problem starts...

_{Sorry if this posts twice, my connection is not very cooperative today. :/}

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

Hatefulness is an essential property of a "hateful religion".

Except that hatefulness is not an inherent property of Christianity. Quite the contrary in fact: Christ Himself taught only about loving and forgiving everyone. So by equating Christianity with the hateful bits of it, you are effectively doing the same as equating blackness of skin with Black muggers. Congrats.

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

I wish people would read who's replying to what before jumping on rebutting the points no one made.
Some anon said: "I don't think it's a problem that people who belong to hateful religions feel ashamed. I think it's great."
interrobangings replied: "that's like saying "all black people are bad because i got mugged by a black gang""
and that's what I replied to, Christianity was not mentioned.

Explaining that, the question of whether Christianity is hateful becomes completely off-topic to the discussion, but just for the record, I do think Christianity is evidently a hateful religion. It's hateful toward promiscuous women, hateful to-... to be honest, I'm not in the mood to list all the groups it's hateful towards. Its hatefulness to certain groups of people is undeniably a part of it, not just as a hatefulness of some of its members, but as an intrinsical part of its doctrine (see: any page of the Bible).

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

You're not making any sense. The very topic of this entire thread is whether Christianity is hateful or not! And interrobangings's comparison was about equating hate against all Black people due to being mobbed by a few Black muggers to hate against all Christians due to the hateful attitude of some Christians. So what are you going on about me being off-topic??

Also: go ahead and show me a teaching of Christ Himself that was hateful. No, really, I'm serious.

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

also (forgot to mention):
"by equating Christianity with the hateful bits of it, you are effectively doing the same as equating blackness of skin with Black muggers"

No, just no.
In order to proclaim Christianity "hateful" it doesn't have to be consisted only of "hatefulness". If bits of it are hateful (depending how significant you deem those bits), you can call the thing as a whole hateful.
The same way, to proclaim Black person a mugger, "bits of them" have to be a mugger. I mean, they have had to, at some point, mug someone. Now, how much mugging there has to be (someone stealing a wallet once is different from someone mugging for a living) before someone's a "mugger" is debatable (the same way how how much hating has to be done before something's "hateful" is debatable), but what's sure is that there has to be mugging in order for someone to be a mugger (which obviously isn't the case with all the Black people).

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

You're not very good at understanding comparisons, are you? Interrobangings's comparison was not between Christianity as a whole and ONE random Black person: it was between Christianity as a whole and the WHOLE Black community. Apples to apples, you know?

So now, by your reasoning, since there ARE Black muggers, it IS acceptable to consider that Black people in general are muggers... See where the problem is?

Inversely, if you want to compare oranges to oranges, then you need to compare ONE random Christian to ONE random Black person. Just like there's no telling if the Black person is a mugger just because they are Black, there is also no telling if the Christian is hateful just because they are Christian. Simple, really.

Re: different anon

[(Anonymous)]

He also taught "Go and sin no more" and "If you love me, you will obey my Father Who sent me" and "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me"

Just sayin'

Re: different anon

[meadowphoenix]

The problem with that is that you can only define hateful religion as a result of the people who are in the religion. The person who got mugged would probably also think that the black race was hateful.

[ceruleansan.livejournal.com]

Thiss.

[dethtoll.livejournal.com]

Is it really hard to type with your arms folded like that?