[ SECRET POST #1551 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1551 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Fewer secrets this week, probably because of the DDoS attack on LJ before.

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 251 secrets from Secret Submission Post #222.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 (TRON SECRET MAKER LOOK HERE, THIS IS THE 4TH OR 5TH TIME)- repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I really dislike it when people say this. It sounds like you're deliberately trying to start something.

Why is it so hard to say "transgender" men instead? Or the proper way of addressing a FtM (and don't say "just 'man,'" because you know what I mean), since my knowledge of how to do so is spotty.

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

The fuck are you even on about? The secret was basically about how Mpreg can never be realistic. I pointed out that it most definitely can be since, you know, some men get pregnant. Also; the "proper" way of adressing a ftm IS man. Or dude, boy, bro, he, him, guy etc etc. It's that simple. I shouldn't have to say "transgender men" like ftm's somehow don't "count" as real men. Some men can get pregnant. That is a fact.

[hikari87.livejournal.com]

well, I have never seen a case of mpreg in fandom where it wasn't a "regular" male, so although you have a good point here re: rl, it's not something I think is necessarily applicable in fandom. I may be wrong, I suppose (I don't like mpreg fic/art, so I don't go looking for it), but I've never seen a case where it was actually a trans character.

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

First; Instead of using "regular" male, Cis-man/male is a much better term.

As for Mpreg, I'll admit I don't read a lot of it. But I do remember reading one where a trans character was raped and had a pregnancy scare. So, they do happen. Anyway; my point was mainly the fact that OP heavily implied that it could never be done realistically and I just don't think that's true. It may be rare, but it does happen.

[(Anonymous)]

Mpreg in fandom is pretty much universally a male body that gets pregnant through magical/scientific means. Think Junior with Arnold. I have never read a mpreg fic with a transgendered character, ever, and I've been reading fanfics for almost fifteen years now.

[(Anonymous)]

the term is cisgendered, sweetheart

not "regular"

[(Anonymous)]

There's this really interesting fic out there where Sherlock Holmes is a transgendered pregnant man.

[(Anonymous)]

LL

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the secret's ambiguous as to why the OP can't take it seriously. As someone else said, mpreg is very rarely used to explore trans issues, and that could actually be part of what makes it hard to take seriously for some people, not so much the biology part of it. (I know that I agree with what someone else said about it in that part of what disappoints me about a lot of it is the fact that issues involving gender are either shrugged off in a chapter or just aren't addressed at all, like it's not something that the character would think about.) Alternatively, a lot of mpreg focuses on character interaction-related drama, rather than exploring how the pregnancy impacts the characters' social lives (e.g., how the people around them like coworkers, etc. handle it and not just whether or not they want to have lots of sex and whatnot with each other), daily lives, or biology past the obvious "but how does it come out" (like what the hormones do to a person).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that your point is valid; certain men can bear children. It's just that there's a lot of things most mpreg fic could cover but don't for whatever reason, so there's a lot of different reasons why it might not sit well with readers besides the biological issues. If the secret was covering these other potential issues, that's cool. If it was exclusively about the biological aspect, well, then, okay. But on the other hand, what someone else said is also correct. Most mpreg deals with cis guys who somehow end up pregnant, so the complaint is still valid on a level as well.

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

What's the point of this comment? No, seriously, when have I ever said anything that contradicts this? I said that some men can get pregnant. THAT'S ALL. What's up with cis people gettin ridiculously defensive about it? OP says they think less of ANYONE who writes it seriously. That is kind of stupid considering some men can get pregnant. That's all. I don't get what you guys want from me, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

It's pretty obvious we want you to admit that your point doesn't have much to do with the mpreg concept as fandom knows it. But I'm well aware that you won't, that the only reason you posted in this thread is to start shit, so I'm not holding my breath :)

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

Yes, clearly the person writing a comment saying "some men can get pregnant" is the one trying to start shit. Not the ones who are, say, telling me that ftm's shouldn't be reffered to as men. Clearly.