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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-04-05 03:54 pm

[ SECRET POST #1554 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1554 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Knut The Polar Bear]


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[Invader Zim]


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04.
[Can't Hardly Wait]


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[Arthur C. Clarke's Odyssey series]


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[Robert Knepper/Prison Break]


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[The Prophecy, Christopher Walken]


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[Skins]


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[In a Fix, on TLC]


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[UK TV/Radio]


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[Homestuck and Puella Magi Madoka Magica]


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[Shameless US]


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[Young Justice]


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[Rose of Versailles]


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[Dr. Horrible]


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[Tangled]


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[Homestuck]


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[Severus Snape/Lolita KompleX]


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[Alien loves Predator]


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[TFL]


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[Regular Show]


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[Summer Wars]


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[Glee]


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[Ace Attorney]


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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]


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[Fringe]


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[k-pop]


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[Stargate SG1, Legend of the Seeker, Rizzoli & Isles]


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[Sailor Moon]


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[The Spoony Experiment]


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[MSLN]


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[Todd In The Shadows/Infomania]


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[Roman Polanski and Woody Allen]



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Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 120 secrets from Secret Submission Post #222.
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[identity profile] kelly-h80.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
The word Homo in latin means man.

The more you know/.gif

(Anonymous) 2011-04-05 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Stupid thing is, I totally knew that. Wow I feel like an idiot. *head desk*

[identity profile] theditz.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought it was "man" in the gender-neutral sense, as in "human being".

idiot anon from above

(Anonymous) 2011-04-05 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is what I was thinking as well. :\ Still feel dumb though.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-05 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Fun fact: linguistically speaking, the word "woman" has nothing to do with the male gender. The English root -man, when used in this context, just means "human", with wo- being a prefix denoting a female gender.

This is the reason I lol everytime I see "womyn". If we wanted to make the English language more gender-equal, we would start calling men "weremen", since were- in the prefix meaning male person.

[identity profile] theditz.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh! Then that would make werewolf, "manwolf", wouldn't it? That's fascinating.

[identity profile] citrinesunset.livejournal.com 2011-04-06 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting. So I guess that means that technically, female werewolves should not be called werewolves (wowolves, I guess?).

[identity profile] severely-lupine.livejournal.com 2011-04-06 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
I think if feminists really want to get up in arms over a word, they should try to change vagina to something that doesn't mean 'sheath'. Because if any real, non-slang English word subtly denigrates women, that one does. They might as well have called it 'that thing a penis goes into'.

[identity profile] baaing-tree.livejournal.com 2011-04-07 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, 'pudendum' is worse. Look up the eytmology of it (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pudendum), and be depressed.

[identity profile] kelly-h80.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It does. The fact that people use "man" in relation to all humans beings pisses some "womyn" off.

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(Anonymous) 2011-04-05 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
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Could be that it's used in the gender-neutral sense, but when you think about the fact that some (a few, not all) ancient scholars used to think women weren't actual people because they were considered to be lesser beings... :( Oh Latin, why do you do this to me.
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[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Doesn't it also mean "same"? As in "homophones" are words that sound the same? I was always under the impression that "homosexual" means "same sex" as opposed to "heterosexual" (hetero = not the same)

This is just as dumb as the word "herstory" (protip: the etymology of the word "history" doesn't have anything to do with masculine pronouns). I hate it when people insist on using different words or changing words without bothering to look into the etymology of the word beforehand.

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[identity profile] vethica.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Homo meaning "same" is actually a Greek root unrelated to Latin "homo", which makes this argument one more level of ridiculous.
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[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I never took Latin or Greek, I just know that it means "same" and not "man" in this case. Also, doesn't "homo" mean "human" in Latin? Not "man"? I was under the impression that it was only the English translation of the word that made it refer to a specific gender and not just humankind in general

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[identity profile] vethica.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, you've got it right. That's why this whole thing is ridiculous, because even if it were Latin, it wouldn't mean "man" anyway. :P

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[identity profile] babycnessa.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Words have different definitions or meaning depending the root of the word used. Homo is a good example. Homo with the Latin root means "man", but with the Greek root means "same". Homophone, same sound. Homo sapiens, wise man.

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(Anonymous) 2011-04-05 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
So in this context, homosexual would be same sexual. I mean, man sexual could make sense but then it could be used to describe straight women as well as gay/bi men (and others).

ergo, no men involved with the definition as it uses the Greek root not the Latin one.

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[identity profile] babycnessa.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. Look at the definition of "homo" in a dictionary and there it will tell you the definition using the Latin root and the Greek root. It's also important to note that "homo" means "man" as in "human being" and not man as "male human", so if it was with the Greek root it would be "same human being", which makes no sense in the context of the word homosexual.

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[identity profile] threeonetwo.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
See, as a kid I was told "wo" meant "of", so "woman" meant "of man". It wasn't until...now, actually, that I found out otherwise.

But, "herstory"? Really? I can't even think of a flawed explanation for "history" being masculine. It has the letters H-I-S in a row, that's about it.
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[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm, well when I looked it up, it does seem to have a masculine root to it. Though the fact that the first three words are an English masculine pronoun are a bit of a coincidence

late 14c., "relation of incidents" (true or false), from O.Fr. historie, from L. historia "narrative, account, tale, story," from Gk. historia "a learning or knowing by inquiry, history, record, narrative," from historein "inquire," from histor "wise man, judge," from PIE *wid-tor-, from base *weid- "to know," lit. "to see" (see vision). Related to Gk. idein "to see," and to eidenai "to know." In M.E., not differentiated from story; sense of "record of past events" probably first attested late 15c. Sense of "systematic account (without reference to time) of a set of natural phenomena" (1560s) is now obsolete except in natural history.


http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=history

See, I only know that historia was Greek for "knowing by inquiry" or "record", I didn't know that histor meant "wise man" in Greek.

I still refuse to use the term "herstory" though.

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[identity profile] ahkna.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
"Herstory" was one of my big pet peeves in university. I'm a history major and I dated a girl who called it that. I was not impressed.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2011-04-05 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
But homosexual originates from Greek and Latin. "Homo" is Greek. You can tell since it is the antithesis to "Hetero" which is also Greek. "Sexual" is Latin from sexus, and was referent first and foremost to the female sex, and then became a term for irrelevant to gender.

/Thanks OED and Classics classes!

[identity profile] kallanda-lee.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Well that's why it was often referred to as "homophilia" in earlier days, and I've still heard the word used by my Philosophy professor, as that makes more sense linguistically. "Homosexual" is just a greek/latin mashup (so is polyamorous, for example)
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2011-04-05 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it does make quite a bit more sense. Homo is a rather rare Greek word on it's own though. There are some many other more common works for "like." Why do people always go for the rare roots?

[identity profile] omorka.livejournal.com 2011-04-05 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually rather like using the barbarous hybrids for sexual terms in English - seems vaguely appropriate, somehow, given the Anglo-American attitudes about sex.