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[ SECRET POST #1554 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1554 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Knut The Polar Bear]

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[Invader Zim]

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[Can't Hardly Wait]

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[Arthur C. Clarke's Odyssey series]

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[Robert Knepper/Prison Break]

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[The Prophecy, Christopher Walken]

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[Skins]

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[In a Fix, on TLC]

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[UK TV/Radio]

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[Homestuck and Puella Magi Madoka Magica]

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[Shameless US]

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[Young Justice]

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[Rose of Versailles]

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[Dr. Horrible]

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[Tangled]

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[Homestuck]

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[Severus Snape/Lolita KompleX]

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[Alien loves Predator]

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[TFL]

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[Regular Show]

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[Summer Wars]

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[Glee]

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[Ace Attorney]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

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[Fringe]

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[k-pop]

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[Stargate SG1, Legend of the Seeker, Rizzoli & Isles]

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[Sailor Moon]

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[The Spoony Experiment]

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[MSLN]

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[Todd In The Shadows/Infomania]

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[Roman Polanski and Woody Allen]

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In this life, there's really only one thing that matters, and that's the bottom line. If you want to bring in the cash, you may have to work with some unsavoury people, and that when you work with those people you take steps to protect yourself from them and still get what you want. That's what I was taught as a child.

I am in no way excusing what Polanski did and I think he should be castrated, but actors who work with him tend to bring in quite a bit of money, so I can see why people choose to do so. If you had a chance to make a lot of money, wouldn't you do the same?

As for Woody Allen, it was creepy, but they weren't biologically related, she was a grown adult, and it was all consensual, so I don't have a problem with it.

If you had a chance to make a lot of money, wouldn't you do the same?

Nope. It's called "having standards."

Are standards worth upwards of a million dollars, though? Maybe I'm just cynical, but I tend to think anyone who passes up the chance to get that kind of money is incredibly naive. It's all well and good to have standards, but do standards pay the bills? Can you buy stuff with standards?

Let me know if you can, because then I'll totally change my position. But the last time I tried to pay my electrical bill with standards the guy laughed at me.

You can't buy stuff with standards, no. You can't really put a price on them. But to me, they and my conscience are worth far more than a million dollars. I don't care if some gold-digging cockwaffle on the internet thinks that makes me naive, especially when they can't even put a name to the bullshit they're spouting.

Hey now, I do have a name, I just don't have an LJ account. It's Hannah, FWIW.

And I would never marry someone for money. I just think that passing up the chance to get enough cash that you'd be set for life is a poor decision. It's not like you are committing a crime for money, you are acting in a movie. If it gets you the green stuff, and you don't do anything illegal to get it, then I don't see the problem?

Whatever lets you sleep at night, I guess.

I don't think paying the bills is anything Johnny Depp, Ewan McGregor, Kate Winslet and Jodie Foster have to worry about.

That's true. But a lot of people do, and if they were given the chance to act for a lot of money? I think many of them would take it.

Are standards worth upwards of a million dollars, though?

Some of them are, yes. Because when you're done earning and spending that million? You're still going to have to look at yourself in the mirror and know what you did.

but actors who work with him tend to bring in quite a bit of money, so I can see why people choose to do so. If you had a chance to make a lot of money, wouldn't you do the same?

Depends. What's your human dignity worth?

There's a lot you can do in this world that'll make you really good money. Making a lot of money doesn't mean it's worth it--it just means you're willing to sell yourself for a certain price.

Again, it could just be the way I was raised- I was taught that at the end of the day the only thing that really matters is how much money you can bring in, because immaterial ideals can't pay the bills, and you can't buy stuff with standards.

Now, even I have some standards- I try to avoid causing unnecessary pain for anyone, and there are lines I won't cross. But working with someone who committed a crime? If they're not trying to make me commit a crime too, and they're going to pay me well enough, then I'd take the job.

Yeah, actually...that's pretty horrifying. There's a reason the characters that think like that are usually cast as villains in stories. Immaterial ideals, what you will or won't do, are what define you and your worth as a human being.

Paging Gordon Gekko!

No shit. "The love of money is the root of all evil" for a reason.

Take it up with my dad, then, he was the one that taught me that those things, they don't really matter if you don't have the money to back it up.

And I do have some standards- I do go out of my way to avoid causing unnecessary pain to others, and I wouldn't commit a crime to get paid, even if I was offered a lot of money.

I'm not some crazed villain sitting on top of my money pile laughing at everyone else. In fact, I'm really surprised at the response to this- I thought most people were brought up this way.

In fact, I'm really surprised at the response to this- I thought most people were brought up this way.

Are you just trolling, just that much of a dumbass, or did your dad homeschool you and keep you locked in the basement until you were 18 (provided you even are)?

Edited 2011-04-06 01:42 (UTC)

I'm not trolling and I'm not a dumbass. I went to private school with a focus on economics.

I'm also 20 years old, and studying economics and computer science.

Private school with a focus on economics

Well, there's your problem. The actual field of economics and business does not give a flying fuck about anything but the bottom line. People? Eh, who cares. They're supposed to be rational actors!

Ah, private school. Forgot that one. Because I was seriously baffled at you thinking "wealth means everything" was the only way anyone was ever raised. But I guess when you're raised by and surrounded by people just like your dad all your life, it makes sense. I actually pity more than hate you, 'cause that's kinda sad.

You know, I always thought people who weren't brought up the way I was were either religious fundamentalists, or just very naive. Everyone I knew growing up was taught the same things by their parents, and school reinforced it. In eighth grade we did a project on how you can devise a business plan involving your entire company with most of the profits going back to you. In tenth grade we spent an entire month doing a project on outsourcing, like when it was more cost effective to keep the work domestically and when to sent it offshore.

And I have to say, this is really a huge shock for me, because in my fields of study, we've basically picked up from where my high school left off- everyone in my department was brought up the same way as well. I guess I took it for granted that everyone understood things the same way I do. I already knew there were people who didn't have the same education- the Internet is a big place, but I wasn't really aware of how few people actually had the same upbringing.

Out of curiosity, did your parents/guardians/school/whoever teach you anything about economics? You don't have to answer me if you don't want to, though. I was just wondering.

Yes. It was public school, and we had basic-to-intermediate economics as a requirement. But it was not the curriculum's main focus by any means, and civics and social studies classes, it was stressed that money is needed for vital things like food, housing, and utilities. But it should never, ever be more important than people.

And from my parents (who are not very religious at all), it was taught early that if you have certain principles that you feel strongly about (like, oh, not enabling a child rapist to reap shitloads of cash from a movie by helping him make it), you should never compromise them for any sum. Because you can't put a price on a clear conscience.

It's kind of sad and horrifying to think you're been that sheltered that you thought only a religious fundie or a starry-eyed idealist could ever think differently from you. Especially when private school tuition on average costs half the yearly income of your average worker. Did you really think everyone could afford to go to that kind of school?

Honestly? I knew that not everyone could go to the same school I did, but they did have scholarships. It just never occurred to me that other people's parents would have raised them differently- they didn't go to my school, but I just never would have thought that even if they didn't get the same education that their parents wouldn't teach them the same things. I learned the same things at school that I did at home, and I realized on some level that public schools didn't focus on economics, but I thought even if they didn't get it at school, they would get it at home.

I mean, I knew that tuition wasn't cheap. But I also was hearing every day that if I put into practice what I learned, I'd be able to drop huge amounts of cash on whatever I wanted without worrying about running out of money.

It's the same now- the professors are basically repeating everything I've learned my whole life. It just never occurred to me to question any of this. On some level, I knew that I probably wouldn't end up CEO of Microsoft, but my entire life I've been trained to reach a management-level position- it's expected of me. Hell, one of my earliest memories is my dad taking me to the NYSE and telling me that someday I'd be there.

I'm sorry, this comment is really long and rambly. I hope it makes some sense.

I think you need to start questioning it. Economics likes to assume that people are rational actors and that certain things are constants when they're not. It likes to assume that what matters is the bottom line, not the people who might lose their jobs because a manager decided it was more profitable to outsource so they could pay some poor guy two dollars a day for his labor in a country with horrid labor laws. Or the people who get affected because they're a mining town and they lost thirty odd people because the company decided it'd be more profitable to cut a few corners on safety, because hey, no one will notice and nothing will happen anyway.

And look at the labor conflicts of the 19th and 20th centuries. Look at what workers fought for. Economics likes to pretend its all fine as long as the people who "matter", the people at the top, are making more money and amassing more wealth.

And they forget about the rest of us who have to make do with a living wage and scrape and save and get by and go to increasingly worse public schools because hey, don't you know the private sector can do it better? And oh look, that school isn't doing well, so we might as well cut more funding from education.

Not everyone has had the privilege of a private education. Not everyone has the privilege of a college education. Or being told that one day, you'll be one of those people on Wall Street who gets to dick over the little guy.

And yes, I'm bitter. I'm horribly bitter, because everyday in this country, the poor get poorer, the rich get richer and slowly but surely, the middle-class is sliding away. Top one per cent of the nation? owns 33 per cent of the nations wealth. Top ten per cent? 70% of the nation's wealth. And it keeps getting worse for us on the bottom.

I did learn about the labor conflicts- it was explained as being the major reason that manufacturing jobs started leaving the US, by making it so that we couldn't be competitive in the global workforce.

We were taught that as long as the corporations were strong, everything would be better for everyone. The more money the economy brings in, the more money that everyone will have in the long term.

I am sorry that you are struggling, though. My dad has always paid for everything, with the expectation that I pay him back with interest when I get a corporate job. It's been expected of me since I was very small that I would be in a high-level position in a corporation. I mentioned going to the NYSE when I was about three years old, and being told someday I'd be there. I can't remember a time when I wasn't preparing for this future. But I don't really understand your position, and I'm sorry for that. I really do hope that things get better for you.

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