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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-04-09 03:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #1558 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1558 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2011-04-09 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
So late to the party, but w/e. I really wanted to like this show, despite the batshit fandom and some really rude stans I've seen here, because honestly from the sound of it, I thought it would be cheesy fun with some monster-fightin' action and ~deep sibling relationship that everyone talks about. But once I've seen it holy shit, this show really is crap. Beyond "it's so bad it's good" to a "this shit has no redeeming quality" territory.

Sam and Dean's relationship is neither special nor profound. It's not even engaging. And the misogyny in the show is mind-blowing. First I couldn't believe it, I really thought it was being satirical or ironic or something, anything buuuut nope. The show is consistently, horrifyingly misogynistic. And even after I've resigned to the shallowness and male-gaze of it all, it turns out that the scary factor is non-existent. For a show that is called Supernatural, it's not the least bit scary.

tl;dr so disappoint and angry omg

(Anonymous) 2011-04-10 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I really thought it was being satirical or ironic or something,

Actually, I really like SPN for this. Well, like is the wrong word but . . . they weren't trying to do anything but pay homage to various horror films. And in their genuine, relatively harmless pursuit, they thoughtlessly, clumsily, and inadvertently gave a very boldfaced look at the statement horror, and really, media as a whole is saying: women are victims. It cast a very bright light on that issue, sort of like when you see a little kid swearing? You know adults around them swear. SPN is very much a product of the environment of horror as a whole.

IDK it is funny to me that they set out for the 18-30 male demographic, became a tremendous hit with women, and because it's such a perfect textbook example of misogyny, became a staple in feminist essays about media. Hilarious.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-10 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
Totally. First I thought it must have been joking, but then it played the women-as-victim thing completely straight. And as a horror fan, I was like, "okay, that's normal in horror, I shouldn't have expected anything else." And it would have been fine (well, not fine, because misogyny is never fine, but I guess less distracting) if the show was scary... But then it doesn't quite succeed in being scary either. So my main gripe with it is that it's so misogynistic with no real horror to make up for it. Boo.

And yeah, its popularity with both fangirl demographic and feminist-rage demographic blows my mind.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-10 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I've been watching the show for years now and I still can't see where all this supposed misogyny is supposed to be. Sure, some things make me cringe every now and then, but I feel the same way about many shows. I just can't see how a show like Supernatural is supposed to be so much more misogynist than, well, many other shows out there.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-10 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Me neither. There are plenty of times where I think something's a problem, but not seeing the whole OMG IT JUST OOZING MISOGYNY OUT OF EVERY PORE, especially the subset of DEAN WINCHESTER TOTALLY HATES WOMEN thing.