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⌈ Secret Post #1611 ⌋



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Notes: technophile had to work late today!


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Comments

[haro.livejournal.com]

Blah blah blah Americans are dumb blah blah. I'm a speshul snowflake from a country where this mistake is not made. Never mind how HUGELY diverse the Hetalia fandom is, and how probably about 50% of it is non-American anyway. Never mind that most fans from the UK itself, refer to him as England without really seeming to mind.

We can't call him the UK because can you imagine actually using that in fics and such? "Hey United Kingdom!" It's awkward as hell. No one calls America "United States" for the same reason (well and because he's called "America" in 90% of official stuff).

We can't call him Britain because that is incorrect, as it doesn't include Northern Ireland which is also part of the UK.

We can't call him England because he's more than that.

So what do you propose we call him? UK doesn't work either, imho. That's essentially calling someone by an abbreviation.

Once upon a time, he WAS just England though, before the United Kingdom existed. And he is made up of English stereotypes, not Scottish or Welsh or Northern Irish stereotypes. So if I wanted to choose a name that isn't a total mouthful that sounds completely silly when trying to use it as a person's name, I might choose England. Not to mention, he has been called England (in English) on official Japanese merchandise before, but they have never used Britain (in English).

And my god, by calling him England in a fanfic, no one is meaning to imply that only the England part of the country was involved in WWII or whatnot. Where you'd even get that, I don't know.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

So what do you propose we call him?

Britain. (That's what I called him until I got into the fandom.)

As for whether it's incorrect or not - as long as official sources and various style guides say it's a synonym for the UK then for me it's a synonym for the UK.

[haro.livejournal.com]

But it is incorrect? Britain is not the UK. By calling him Brtain, it's leaving out a chunk of the UK. Britain is a name for the largest island in the British isles, not a country.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

The largest island is Great Britain.

And again - I'm not British so I can't say I'm familiar with all possible usages of certain words, especially if there's so much confusion about them as about this one. But if it's good enough for the Foreign Office (http://digitaldiplomacy.fco.gov.uk/en/guidance/content/editorial/style/uk-britain) (and The Times, The Gaurdian Guardian & Observer, the British Council, etc.) it's good enough for me. *shrug*

[haro.livejournal.com]

We favour the modern usage of UK and United Kingdom over Britain and British (UK business, United Kingdom foreign policy, UK embassy and ambassador and high commissioner).

In any case, I think England is fine, and people using it is not a result of people not knowing the difference between England and the UK as the secret maker implies. It's a result of people knowing the difference, but still choosing England as what they deem the best to refer to him as.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

But again: So Britain and British are synonymous with United Kingdom.

Maybe it's not the most PC thing ever but there you have it.

I personally don't mind people calling him England (I call him England, if only because everyone else does so). It's just that technically we could call him something else. (And all the people insisting that he's only England and not the UK while ignoring everything that points toward him being the UK make my head hurt.)

[(Anonymous)]

'Hey UK!' would work perfectly fine imo. So would 'Hi Britain!'

And he's made of British stereotypes, not specifically English ones...not that there's much difference anyway.