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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-06-03 08:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #1613 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1613 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[the Boondocks]


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[Tales of Vesperia]


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[Emilie Autumn/Transformice]


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[Amnesia]


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[Madlax]


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[Being Human]


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[Final Fantasy/RP]


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[Knights of the Old Republic]


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[Psychoville]


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[The Flaming Lips]


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[Young Justice]


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[Hetalia]


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19. [SPOILERS for Hawaii Five-O]



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20. [SPOILERS for Bones]



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21. [SPOILERS for Bones]



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22. [SPOILERS for Surprise of Suzumiya Haruhi]



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23. [SPOILERS for Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides]



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24. [SPOILERS for something idk they didnt say what]



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25. [SPOILERS for Pirates of the Caribbean]



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26. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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27. [SPOILERS for Portal 2]
















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Secrets Left to Post: pages, secrets from Secret Submission Post #.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - repeats ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-04 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
I get what you mean!!

For a WELL-PORTRAYED MtF anime character, try Grelle from Kuroshitsuji. Just don't venture into the fandom they're all transphobic assholes.

[identity profile] vethica.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, honestly curious here. Can you explain why Grell is better-portrayed than Shuu? (And surely not all of us are transphobic. :c)

[identity profile] oflittlebrain.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
How is he better portrayed than Shuu? Grell is a comic relief character. Trans characters being played for laughs is nothing new or progressive.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-04 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
That depends - if you're not trolling, what do you mean by "well-portrayed"?

[identity profile] cloud-riven.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
My internet sarcasm meter is wonky these days. I'll go with the hunch that you're just joking.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-04 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
I'm tired of people thinking Grelle is trans.

Grelle is a comic relief character whose stereotype is that he is very feminine. It's not uncommon for gay characters in anime and manga to be portrayed in a way that makes them look like they actually want to be female (i.e. using "atashi", wearing dresses, commenting on how they want to be a woman or on the advantages of being one). But he is not trans. He's a joke character.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-04 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
Because wanting to get a sex change is such a gay thing to do.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-04 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
It fits with the common stereotype. Have you even seen gay characters portrayed in anime?

[identity profile] vethica.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Taking into account the whole sex change thing and also her motivation for becoming half of Jack the Ripper, I don't think it's unreasonable to see Grell as trans. Certainly I wouldn't call it an invalid interpretation.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-04 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
I can see where you're coming from, but I'm still extremely doubtful of it given the way Grell is shown (as I see it) as the token feminine gay guy. It'd be easier to see him as trans if his characterization was different, but judging by how he's written I can't see it as anything more than a joke and it's actually strange to see how many people take it seriously.

(Anonymous) 2011-06-04 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't see how Grell being a comic relief character means that the things she says about wanting a sex change and wanting to be addressed as a woman should be ignored. As if it's impossible for a joke character to be trans. "Joke character" =/= "cisgendered joke character".

[identity profile] opal-skies.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah-hem. And I present to you this quote from the official character guide (translated from the original, obviously):
"Right now, what are you most dissatisfied with? And what would you like to do most?
- Even if you say right now, what I think has been my biggest complaint since birth is that I am not a woman [I think we can read this as -physically-]. Really, I think God made a mistake."

Won't deny he's not there for comic relief much of the time.

[identity profile] opal-skies.livejournal.com 2011-06-08 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
HOW DID YOU FIND ME HERE?!</s <3

[identity profile] tazthelemon.livejournal.com 2011-06-09 06:44 am (UTC)(link)
Image

Reality-bending. And magnets.

[identity profile] anthropomorphe.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
HAHA Grell is not trans in the original manga, and the anime fucked absolutely everything up and killed everyone, so I refuse to acknowledge it.

[identity profile] opal-skies.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Re: Grell being trans in the manga:
"Right now, what are you most dissatisfied with? And what would you like to do most?
- Even if you say right now, what I think has been my biggest complaint since birth is that I am not a woman [I think we can read this as -physically-]. Really, I think God made a mistake."
^ From the official character guide...book thing.

[identity profile] anthropomorphe.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, it still doesn't matter to me. They never addressed it in the canon itself, so I don't particularly care, and the anime still fucked everything up and pissed all over his character by turning him into a comical ~*gay*~ character.

[identity profile] opal-skies.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Not arguing anything to do with the anime, because I agree. Why do characters like that, in dramas or any kind of media, really, never seem to get a serious love interest of their own?

[identity profile] anthropomorphe.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Grell was all badass psycho in the manga, and I shipped him with William.

[identity profile] radio-nurse.livejournal.com 2011-06-04 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
While I disagree that Grell is a well-portrayed MtF character, I'm in disbelief that people here still adamantly argue against Grell being trans. We've been over this at least a dozen times within the past year. Holy shit, you guys. In the 2nd musical, she asks to be referred to with female pronouns. And that is the bottom line for me.