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⌈ Secret Post #1642 ⌋


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Comments

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

there's nothing wrong with being any age and reading YA fiction.

the problem is when you're an adult and you still haven't read anything more challenging than that outside of high school. I think a lot of people use YA as a crutch - not that these books can't be good reads, just that there are books you read for fun and then there are books that require some effort to read, books with a deeper meaning, books that make you reconsider your life, the world, etc.

I'll probably get dogpiled for this.

[deadtree.livejournal.com]

YA books shouldn't be discounted for not having a deeper meaning or making readers reconsider the world or themselves. In fact, they can often do it more adeptly than adult novels-- in my personal experience. Madeleine L'engle and Diana Wynne Jones pop into my mind as being two writers who managed, when I was a kid, to open my brain up to a world of possibilities... and now, rereading them as an adult, they're doing it again in completely different ways.

I'll agree with you that a lot of people DO use YA lit as a crutch, though, and those people are probably reading things more along the lines of "Twilight", which is fine for fun but shouldn't be confused with brain-expanding literature.

[kathkin.livejournal.com]

I'm with you (ESPECIALLY on Diana Wynne Jones) - I actually prefer YA fantasy to adult fantasy a lot of the time. It's so much easier to find properly innovative, inventive fantasy in the YA section - I go and look through the adult F and SF section of bookshops and a good half of it seems to be Lord of the Rings clones. :/

As a side note, the last time I went to a bookshop the fantasy section had more space dedicated to Twilight than Lord of the Rings. Just had to share that. >_

[zelda-dragon.livejournal.com]

"It's so much easier to find properly innovative, inventive fantasy in the YA section."

I agree with you on this. I've read a handful of good fantasy from the adult Fantasy & Sci-Fi section (Kim Harrison is, in my opinion, the best, with a few decent others here and there), whereas most of the YA fantasy I read is excellent. Especially some of the older YA books from when I was growing up.


And yeah, I was in Waldenbooks last week, and they had a whole BOOK CASE dedicated to Twilight. Like, a full five shelves for Twilight and its paraphernalia.

[deadtree.livejournal.com]

Have to agree with you on the lack of innovation in adult literature :\ It's so sad. Also, I hadn't realized it until reading a comment in Entertainment Weekly, but adult literature is so far behind YA on gender politics that it's laughable.

[closetospring.livejournal.com]

I prefer YA anything to adult anything most of the time. generalization, but in my experience, "adult" fiction is not only less imaginative, but it always noticeably tries too hard to be deep and meaningful and ~literary~. it's also... idk how to explain it, dry? I feel like ya fiction comes to life much more often than adult fiction.

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

Dianna Wynne Jones and L'engle are great. (I'd also nominate Monica Furlong.) their books were amazing to read when I was growing up and were definitely brain-expanding, I agree.

[kathkin.livejournal.com]

I hadn't heard of Monica Furlong - just looked her up, might well check out her books soon. Thankies!

[deadtree.livejournal.com]

I also haven't heard of Monica Furlong, but I'm definitely going to check her out now!

*is excited because there are a lot of great recs floating in this thread*

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

let's remember that YA lit isn't the only thing that can be used as a crutch though. my sister pretty much only reads books by chelsea handler. :/

[deadtree.livejournal.com]

LOL! Also, how about housewife porn? Definitely for adults, but still slowly killing your braincells.

[(Anonymous)]

What exactly is "housewife porn?" Cause I'm picturing sex in the kitchen wearing nothing but aprons between two housewives, and I think that's wrong.

[charliequinn.livejournal.com]

LOL, we always called it 'Nana Porn'!

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

yeah, I remember seeing a bookshelf at my friend's house that was nothing but "the cat who" books and pink-covered chick lit. to each their own, I guess.

[rayiroth.livejournal.com]

I just Googled The Cat Who. Now I have to read them all.

[tastylogic.livejournal.com]

Hasn't Handler only written four books? That is a very sad library D:

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

well it was a bit of exaggeration but she basically only reads books written by famous people e.g. russell brand

she's like "i just like reading personal essays!!!" and i'm like "lol ok"

[closetospring.livejournal.com]

are you implying that ya books never have deeper meaning or consider life/the world...? because if so, lol

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

I'm implying that in an effort to be less "dry", as another poster described it, YA tends to be more straightforward and less nuanced.

I'm stating that it's a shame if someone who loves reading YA never gets around to reading Flannery O'Connnor or Tennesee Williams or Chekhov or Mishima, etc. not just because they're "better", but because they offer an entire range of perspectives and experiences that are definitely beyond the scope of YA.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I do kind of agree with closetospring on the point that most contemporary literature is trying to hard to have a deeper meaning, but certainly there are 20th century classics going completely ignored because some people only have the ability to read YA and nothing any more challenging than that, and that is a travesty.

[(Anonymous)]

As others have said, there are plenty of YA books that are more than just "fun to read." And those can definitely have a longer-lasting, more profound impact on a person's life, personality and/or development than most people would give them credit for. There are also ways to explore meanings and ideas, reconsider your life, the world, etc. than read supposedly "better" literature (don't know who gets to decide what books those are) or, hell, read any books at all. Frankly, I find it insufferable when people consider themselves superior to others simply because the books they read are supposedly more challenging or complex or adult. Some of the most well-read people I know are also the ones who are entirely narrow-minded, unintelligent and limited.

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

I phrased my comment kind of poorly - there are YA books that are profound and life-changing and that had a huge effect on many people's childhoods (including mine). but they're stepping stones, and I mean that with no disrespect. you liked the Narnia books? try "the screwtape letters". you liked "a wrinkle in time"? try some Vonnegut.

and I don't consider myself superior because of what I read. I just don't understand why people who ostensibly love books limit themselves to one section in the bookstore when there are so many other things to read that can enrich them in so many different ways. if that makes me pretentious, I can live with that.

[mskye.livejournal.com]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm not going to read anything unless if it's fun to read. Books that "require some effort to read" are usually that way because they are tedious or boring. Now, if the book happens to be deep and eye-opening, that's a great bonus, but reading the darn thing must first and foremost be an enjoyable use of my time.

[(Anonymous)]

Indeed!

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Pretty much MTE.
When I find a book to be tedious and boring, I consider that a "flaw," not a sign that the book must be awesome and enriching and deep on multiple levels.