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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-07-10 03:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #1650 ]

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(Anonymous) 2011-07-10 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
tbh i think people are misunderstanding the situation for reasons i've already explained twice (different culture and my own thoughts).

he always talked about love and tolerance before so maybe that's why i think he's just giving a typical answer.

[identity profile] goobbledigook.livejournal.com 2011-07-10 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Homophobia is homophobia. A homophobe in the west saying the same thing would be a homophobe anywhere, and if he said this here, he would still be a homophobe.

Talking about tolerance and excluding gay people from that is not exactly news when it comes to hypocritical christians.

(Anonymous) 2011-07-10 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
*shrugs* maybe he is. but maybe it's because i'm a fan that i'm seeing things differently.

he always talked about tolerance and love. why would he repeat the shit christians already know?

[identity profile] akuryounoseiki.livejournal.com 2011-07-10 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Being Siwon's fan doesn't erase the fundamental fact of how problematic his words are. This has nothing to do with cultural relativism either: what he is saying is homophobic. period.

(Anonymous) 2011-07-10 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
not arguing how problematic his words are. i'm just trying to add cultural context and maybe a possible alternative theory.

but whatever. culture has nothing to do with how a person's thoughts etc
ext_386190: little bird (han solo's finger)

[identity profile] hey-feygele.livejournal.com 2011-07-10 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
culture has nothing to do with how a person's thoughts etc

...Culture actually has quite a lot to do with how a person's thoughts etc.

(Anonymous) 2011-07-10 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
i know. i was being sarcastic because they're telling me "IT DOESN'T MATTER IF KOREA AS A WHOLE THINKS HOMOSEXUALITY IS A DISEASE - HE. STILL. SAID. THOSE. WORDS."

[identity profile] goobbledigook.livejournal.com 2011-07-11 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
It really doesn't tough. Yeah, Korean culture isn't exactly gay friendly, but I don't see anyone implying otherwise.

The secret puts a quote and says it's not homophobic, and the comments are pointing out that, no, it certainly is. No one is analyzing the cultural reasoning behind it because regardless of it saying what he said is homophobic. To say "oh Korea has a culture where they think gay is a disease" is redundant. We know. But that's not what the secret is disputing.

(Anonymous) 2011-07-11 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
okay. i apologize then. :)
ext_386190: little bird (han solo's finger)

[identity profile] hey-feygele.livejournal.com 2011-07-11 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
Lol, sorry, I wasn't sure. I mostly just wanted to comment because the thought of etc being used aggravatedly as a verb cheered me up in the middle of a disheartening thread.