[ SECRET POST #1663 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1663 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

According to a friend of mine who is way into the anime thing, weeaboo was mostly used by native Japanese forum members, though. So in a way it's still copying, isn't it?

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

It wasn't originally used by them in the slightest. It's from /b/, circa 200-whenever. I know because I ~witnessed its genesis~

Unless you're going to start claiming that all the English loanwords used in Japanese are somehow now Japanese words, by the same logic? Like "chocolate," "jumper," etc?

[(Anonymous)]

lol. I don't really care, TBH. I was just going by what I was told. I browsed some forum one time and more than a few Asian people using that word against white people in their Asian fandoms, so that backed up what my friend said. Interesting that non-Asians created it.

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

You're confusing "Japanese words" with "words of Japanese origin." I'd say that yes, "chokoreeto" and "jyanpaa" are Japanese words... and definitely words like "choco," "rimocon," "pasocon," etc.

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

Yeah but in that case they would be spelling it "UIIABUU" to start with, so idts

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

I was just responding to the idea that "chocolate" and "jumper" aren't Japanese words, which they are.

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

Umm... not spelled like that, they're not.

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

That's still how they're spelled when romanized, yes.

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

What? No, they're not.

What are you even trying to say?

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

Yes? If I go into a store here and they're advertising chocolate donuts, they will write "chocolate," not "chokore-to." There are plenty of signs here that look like, "新！CHOCOLATEパン" or whatever.

I guess you could argue that they're "using English" for the sign, but since the word is read exactly the same way in that context as it would be in katakana, and intelligible to a non-English speaker, I think that's pretty moot.

What am I trying to say? You said they're not Japanese words. I say they are. If they're not Japanese, "facade," "tsunami," and "khaki" are not English words.

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

You said "romanization," which is the conversion of the words, as pronounced in Japanese, into the Roman alphabet. It's not pronounced "chock-lit" in Japan, it's pronounced "chokoreeto," which is why it's romanized as "chokoreeto," (or chokoreito, etc) not "chocolate" or "chock-lit." So no, they are not spelled that way when romanized. They're spelled that way in ENGLISH, which the Japanese love to throw in wherever they can. Big difference.

Not to mention loadwords sometimes don't match up with their English equivalents, like "consent" for a wall outlet or "one piece" for a dress. The words are changed when adapted into Japanese.

If they're not Japanese, "facade," "tsunami," and "khaki" are not English words.

Well, no, those words are NOT English originally, which was the whole point of my odd little subthread here. Arguing that Japanese people talking about a tsunami is somehow Western because the word is now part of the English language is a comparable situation.

You seem to have an strange linguistic chip on your shoulder.

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

... My entire point was that "words of [language] origin" and "[language] words" are not the same thing. "Facade" is from French, but is now also an English word. "Jumper" is from English, but is also now a Japanese word.

It was a point of pedantry that really did not require an entire subthread.

[(Anonymous)]

Married to a Japanese (granted, he hasn't lived in Japan in the last 10 years), raising a child to speak both Japanese and English, and I agree with you. Some words are written in both Japanese and English on signs in Japan, but when using romanization, they are spelled how they sound.