[ SECRET POST #1667 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1667 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Posting this while LJ is up. Comment threads to follow

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 099 secrets from Secret Submission Post #238.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Golly, it's hard to tell which side of the argument you're on ;p

[(Anonymous)]

Me? Biased? Naaaah

But really, after a certain point I start to hate both sides pretty equally, especially since it seems we do this same dance at least once a month. Thanks to lj's fuckery though, I don't think people are motivated enough to even try to argue about it now which is nice.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Welp, I think both sides have their points. It's irrefutable that the equivalency here is false... but is it fair or even moral to expect teenagers on the internet to politicize their actions, especially when it runs counter to their developing sexuality? Or to police the sexuality of marginalized persons (women, queer folk) who are also "making gay characters straight" - because they form a sizeable number of all parts of fandom - so that it falls into line with 'correct' leftist social politics?

I'd love to discuss this sometime in a manner that didn't boil down to "PRIVILEGE!!!" / "u mad?", but that will probably never happen. You're right; it's probably for the best we're DOSed right now.

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Hi! I'm the "It's fucking fanfiction, who gives a shit?" guy anon cited above. Not sure if I qualify or not. But ultimately, I ignore the issue to go to what I feel is the wider issue: do I have any right to tell anybody what to fucking write on their own time in their fandom? Of course I don't, and neither do you. Unless they were paid for it, posting something written in public doesn't make it suddenly something that has to adhere to "social justice" or any other shit.

You don't like it? don't read it. Give it a shitty review if you actually can point out why it's shitty. That's as far as it should go with anything you don't like, no matter why you don't like it, with the possible exception of obvious trollbait or other blatantly horrible things (like some hatefic with rl personal info of a person you don't like or something).

if I would get mad about anything, it'd probably be rapefic. When you come right down to it, that's a pretty messed up topic. Seems like that'd be more important then silly sexual preference switching. Mind, I'm not saying go after that, since that still falls under "shit I've no right to tell other people what to do." But, of course, people will still feel entitled to never see something that offends their sensibilities.

Just so that we don't break tradition here, one last divergence

U MAD, PRIVILEGED KID?! Sure!

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

posting something written in public doesn't make it suddenly something that has to adhere to "social justice" or any other shit

Sure it doesn't, but nor do public discussions about what people find offensive or problematic have to be shut down if those happen to offend somebody who likes the types of fiction under discussion. Frankly, the freedom of speech argument cuts against those complaining about fandom social justice as deeply as it does the social justice crowd itself - you're allowed to write anything you want, no matter how offensive and problematic, that's your freedom of speech in action, but those people talking about how offensive and problematic it is are simply exercising their own.

Those against the fandom social justic crowd really have no choice but to rely on the "sure, it's their free speech, but it's not very nice" as much as the fandom social justice crowd does.

I mean...

"shit I've no right to tell other people what to do."

...technically means you've got no right to tell people not to criticize others. That's what they want to do, why can't they?

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

They can. Technically I or nobody else has any right. But such people often go beyond the forum where their comments on such are appropriate and then I by this all inclusive token have the right to believe they are assholes for doing so and tell them as much. So criticizing them for criticizing is okay! It's a vicious circle.

Mind, this doesn't apply to debate like here though. And that goes beyond fanfiction, into simple etiquette, and the old "it's okay to not like things.mp3" that needs to be played for half the things ever discussed here.

(remix! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-p33001J-0)