[ SECRET POST #1687 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1687 ⌋


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Notes:

This is not your forum to identify and call out specific people just to call them assholes. Call out general actions you find reprehensible, mod ability/inability, that kind of stuff, but once you get into what basically amounts to 'this person is a stupid bitch and here are some icons/an lj layout/add. info to identify them with' - no.

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Comments

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

To be honest; I really don't know. The reality is that the situation is hyper-hypothetical. Being the sole survivor on a deserted island with a baby is not actually likely to happen. Knowing you will be rescued in 5 months is even more unlikely.
Even if you were inclined to take care of the darn thing - what would you feed it? Coconut juice? There isn't exactly formula available there. So chances are it would die anyway, even if you genuinely tried saving it. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't know how to take care of one even if I wanted to.

Fact is, in a realistic situation, I would not ever care for a kid I didn't want. If I'd get pregnant, I'd abort (which the situation was about in the first place) and if someone else dumped their kid with me, I'd either bring it back to them or drop it off at a police station/foster care facility.

[(Anonymous)]

To be honest; I really don't know.

Lol yes it's a really tough hypothetical.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

I think it's a very tough one for me, actually. Since it's not something I'd ever consider in a normal situation.

Do you know what you'd do? It's like those people claiming that they'd know they'd be a hero if they ever witnessed a crime. Nobody knows how they'd act in an extreme situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't the scenario that there was an abandoned baby on an island and it would die if you didn't take care of it? Not willingly leaving a child to die from exposure isn't really being a hero, it's just having compassion for another human being. When people try to stop crimes they are also putting themselves in danger of being harmed, but by taking care of a baby who would otherwise die you don't really have as much to lose

[(Anonymous)]

What is the point of this argument. Honestly, your fighting about something that is really far fetch from actually happening.

[(Anonymous)]

That was the first time I had said anything on the subject. I was just confused about her reasoning with the crime stopping thing

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Okay, I'll bite: If you look at it realistically, being stranded is a pretty extreme situation. You managed not to drown, but you're probably distressed and exhausted from fighting for your life in the water. Very soon, you will have to find fresh water and food, or you'll die. Predators might be an issue. Expose to sun and dehydration might be an issue. You will need every inch of adaptability you need to even survive the first few days. So while it's not the same as having a gun pointed to your face, you're still in a fight-or-flight situation. Fact is you might pull yourself together and do what it takes to save yourself and/or the kid, but you might also just crawl up in a ball and give up.

Unless you'd assume being stranded is a sort of a holiday.

[(Anonymous)]

What is the point of this community. Honestly, the subject matters are really a far fetch from actually happening.

(Answer: Entertainment value)

Invalid argument

[(Anonymous)]

Hardly. Some subjects that are discussed here can happen.

[(Anonymous)]

You might be surprised to find that in fact this would not be a hard decision for most of the population.

Anyway, like I said before, I don't honestly think you would kill the baby, and I don't really care about your personal reasoning for it, or that "you're not a sweetheart." The fact that you were dumb enough to say it at all is the point I'm interested in. I mean, damn.

It's also pretty interesting that you're continuing to defend it.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

It's also pretty interesting that you're continuing to defend it.

It's also pretty interesting that you are conveniently leaving out that the "stuck on an island with a baby argument" was actually raised as a point in defending an anti-abortion viewpoint. And damn, some of us feel pretty strongly about that. I also feel very strongly about being forced to take care of a child against my wishes, for any reason whatsoever.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol I also don't care what they were arguing with you about, I lold at "call me a murderer" for like a solid three minutes after I read it. I mean that is some prime-cut stupid. My friends and I read out loud your comment to each other in progressively stupid voices, it was great.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Well, at least you were entertained. It seems you're enjoying your time of F!S ;)

[(Anonymous)]

My friends and I read out loud your comment to each other in progressively stupid voices, it was great.


Dude. You have issues. If you think by supposedly degrading people on the net makes you a better person, then so be it... I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

Your life must be mindbogglingly boring if that is the best you can do with your time.

[(Anonymous)]

(I'm IMing them right now to tell them that you called "deciding to let babies starve" an "unpopular opinion" lolol)

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

I'm flattered. Truly.

[cold-river-blue.livejournal.com]

leaving out that the "stuck on an island with a baby argument" was actually raised as a point in defending an anti-abortion viewpoint.

Good for you for sticking to your guns. This anon is crazypants, and the whole hypothetical is a bullshit disgusting way to make women admit they are nothing but incubators who should be happy to give up 9 months of their lives for the mere potential of another human (who is so much more important, obv).

Even aside from that, though, it's still a stupid, made-up question designed to make you look bad, even though in all actuality nearly every fucking person in that situation would be more concerned about their own survival than a strangers. Fucking human psychology, nobody wants to admit they'd be just as awful as the next person given the right context.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I respect you for not backing down and jumping on the "JULIAN ASSANGE IS A RAPIST!!!!!!" SJ train back whenever that was, but damn. The whole leaving the baby to die thing... really kind of reflects badly on you, just sayin'. But like you said, the odds of that actually happening are like a googol to one, so it's not really something you have to worry about. :)

I actually do quite like you most of the time, so cheers.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Thank you, and I honestly mean that - for the last sentence that is.

Like I said,I do not know what I'd realistically do in that situation, but I get very distressed being so much as in the same room with a baby if they're crying. Last time someone asked me to watch one (and it was just like for 30 minute or so) I sat in the room with my MP3-player plugged in being halfway to hysteria. I just bolted out the second someone else who could take care of it came in. Since then I make a point of not being in that situation again.

If I'd be forced to be in that situation, I honestly don't know how I'd react. Which is generally why I make sure not to be.

I generally wish babies no harm, but I am not actually capable of interacting with them. Which is why the anti-choice stance in the abortion discussion is such a horrible one to me, and any suggestion of being forced to take care of an infant actually evokes very strong emotions..

[(Anonymous)]

No, I get it. I totally understand the strong emotions thing. I had a stillbirth about a year ago, so the whole "dead baby" thing kind of gets my back up. But I do completely understand your position- you shouldn't be forced to have or watch a baby you don't want to care for.

It's not exactly the same, but I'm terrified of dogs, and wouldn't want to be stuck looking after one.

So no hard feelings?

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

No hard feelings - and I'm very sorry for your loss. I understand that it is a horrible thing to lose a child that you do want.

I have also put it quite strongly yesterday; and realistically I probably couldn't bring myself to let someone die. But that doesn't mean it would bring me great distress, which is what I was expressing.

I was more or less "forced" to take care of my grandmother on her deathbed when my Mom wasn't around. And while fortunately we had a carer coming to the house to change the diapers and the worst stuff, it still gives me nightmares, even though I loved her to bits. Ever since then I pretty much cringe at the thought of not being able to just walk out and have someone depend on my with their life. I guess that's pretty much my own personal trauma, and it's a large factor in my not having kids.

So anyway, no hard feelings, I hope.

[(Anonymous)]

No hard feelings. And thank you, I appreciate it.

And I'm sorry you had to go through that with your grandmother. I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, after going through that.

So no hard feelings. :)

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

If you were going to be stranded on a deserted island, and had to pick three books to take with you, which would you choose? Note that you will be graded on this and for years we will bring up your answers whenever tangentially relevant to the conversation.

I just can't take the hypothetical seriously. I mean, step one is getting stranded on an island. It's just not going to happen. I think people are overestimating how likely plane passengers are to survive a crash in the middle of the ocean near deserted islands (I believe the likelihood would be somewhere in the area of zero, especially for a newborn). And the fact is that in those kinds of situations, ideal morality takes a backseat to survival.
I'm a pretty maternal person with a big soft spot for babies and zero tolerance for people actually harming kids, but this is just ri-goddamn-diculous.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

I am usually pretty unfazed by all the trollish bullshit on f!s no matter what it's about, and half the time I take the bait in join the wank.

But this shit is making my brain hurt.

Also, actual infanticide? Like you're saying, prooobably best not to get too judgmental about, outside of actual abusive situations where the death is result of some fucked up compulsion, instead of survival. There are still places in the world where it still happens for pretty legit reasons that none of us will ever have to deal with, or for that matter, live with. It's not like it makes happy memories.

How desperate to troll does an anon have to be dig up some weird extension of an abortion debate and accuse someone of actually condoning the murder of infants?