[ SECRET POST #1691 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1691 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 314 secrets from Secret Submission Post #242.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, why is it so bad that people keep second guessing it? Why, instead, do people keep on insisting on taking it as something that is set in stone forever and place so much weight on the scene?

I like re-evaluating it because I think the subject is interesting, and would be a lot more fun if there was something more to it rather than just a declaration of heterosexuality. Though I did think poor Karkat's reaction was pretty cute, and I felt bad for him.

And while I would like if John/Karkat became canon, it's really no skin off my back if it never does. I'm not 'coming up with excuses', so much as coming up with alternatives that I disagree with you about that I would find plausible because I think it's fun and like to speculate. Gods forbid!

And it is not like I am using this speculation to invalidate canon, or use it as fodder against John/Vriska (which I find fucking adorable, btw)... so, what is the problem with us shippers having our fun?

[(Anonymous)]

Are you so ignorant that you can't understand why people might be upset at a person's self-identified sexuality ignored and replaced with someone else's perception of what their sexuality ought to be? Do you really not understand how many people in this fandom and elsewhere in this fandom have been victimized by those sorts of attitudes IRL?

[(Anonymous)]

Being queer and and being open about it, yes I damned well do know what it's like.

However, my attitude isn't that I think John ought to be queer, so much as that there is room for ambiguity, and I think it would much more interesting if it turns out that he wasn't. It would be much more "comfortable" to me, but I won't love the character or the story any less if he does turn out to be straight.

Until then, he is up for literary analysis, speculation, and so on and so forth. Until then, I'm not going to chalk up it to shippery escapism like I end up having to do with 90% of my other fandoms.

Are you seriously comparing the discussion and analysis of a potentially straight character's sexuality to the oppression of gender and sexuality minorities?

Because if you are, screw you. And if you're another one of those whiny little prats whose heart bleeds for the straight, white, cis guys who keep bleating about how people call them gay and they aren't, and it's just like telling a gay person they're really straight! Screw you even more.

If I go by canon, I find it hard to assume John is anything. Romance and dating seem to be tertiary concerns, and he mostly just seems to care about all of his friends a lot platonically, no matter what gender they are.

[ruadragon.livejournal.com]

I guess I'm sick of people second guessing it because as far as I can see there was no indication that there was anything more to John's statement, there wasn't really any kind of ambiguity there, and whenever I hear other interpretations it always comes off as a shipper grasping at strings, mostly because they just make no sense. One I've heard a lot was that John's statement to Karkat was a clear overreaction, and he overreacted because he is gay and wants to hide it. Because "Um, I'm sorry but I am not a homosexual." is a clear overreaction?...Somehow?

It's extra annoying because John is a 13 year old who's admitted to not thinking about dating and romance before, so there's no reason to think he might not turn out to be gay later in life. I don't ship John with anyone and even I'd argue that he said he was straight because he'd never actually thought about it and just assumed he was.

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from, and I apologize for my defensive overreaction. That sort of stuff is annoying and ridiculous to me, too.

I guess on the flipside of things, I am just sick of the veritable essay-rants some people have been writing on why it is never possible evar and everyone who thinks otherwise is stupid.

It makes me feel like I got timewarped back to 10 years ago where every other fan had a personal geocities/angelfire/tripod website with PROOF and COUNTERARGUMENTS about their ships or something.