[ SECRET POST #1714 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1714 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 201 secrets from Secret Submission Post #245.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sansa would make a terrible leader. She's completely disconnected from reality. How she's survived even this long I don't know. And I don't think my dislike of her is rooted in misogyny.

(though if there are a lot of sexist arseholes in your fandom - how do they square it with - who I imagine are - the popular characters of Arya and Daenerys?)

[(Anonymous)]

Dany gets a lot of hate as well. Actually, so does Brienne and Catelyn.

Arya is popular, and she is so boyish.

[matitablu.livejournal.com]

(spoilers for all the books, blah blah)

Tbh I always thought Arya gets a free pass because she isn't just boyish, she's a kid. She's still mostly operating outside the boundaries of what it means to be female in Westeros (and the plot carefully prevented her from doing so; what if she was stuck at court post Ned's death as well as Sansa?), and at this point I don't know if her story will ever lead her there, given she's busy becoming a ninja in Venice Braavos.

[carolpent.livejournal.com]

People hate Daenerys? Jesus Christ, do they all suffer from some kind of collective madness where they can't see a likable badass?

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Uh, no. Arya is a girl. Arya is not "boyish". Personally, I like all the female characters in this fandom, but your comment was pretty offensive.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what it if about my comment that's offensive to you. In the context of the story she is a tomboy who rejects feminine ideals, and was often mistaken for a boy even before she took on the Arry identity.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

There is a difference between calling a girl a tomboy and saying she is boyish. She is a girl, therefore she cannot be boyish.

[(Anonymous)]

what the hell do you mean by that? I am a butch woman, and I find Arya (and Brienne) inspirational _in_ their boyishness. Ish just means "like"

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Boyish means like a boy and implies that certain traits are masculine. Just because a girl is a tomboy and has certain traits that are stereotypically considered more masculine doesn't mean she is boyish. Only boys are boyish.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

I forgot this was fandomsecrets where half the words don't mean what they mean in real life.

Boyish means like a boy and implies that certain traits are masculine.

Yes, it does, and in Arya's time some of her traits would be considered incredibly masculine. I don't see why this is a problem. If a girl is a tomboy, she has traits commonly associated with boys, i.e. she is boyish. If you were saying this about a woman wearing pants and bringing home the dough in our time I'd raise an eyebrow at you, but saying it about a convention-breaking woman in Arya's time? What exactly is the issue?

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Welcome to Fandom secrets 101:
-get upset about what s essentially semantics
-then claim use of a perfectly common word is sexist.

Yup, sounds like F!S to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Arya and Daenerys are popular characters but to me this also doesn't really disprove the sexism? Arya is super popular because she's a badass tomboy who treats Jon like a brother and thinks feminine arts like embroidery are stupid. Daenerys is popular because she's a gorgeous Targaryen princess and (spoilers for fan theories, if you're not a book reader) a popular theory is that she'll marry Jon because they're Targaryens. So basically, I've seen "neckbeards" who like Daenerys, not as her own character, but as a sort of hot prize for Jon. Ugh. >__>

[neckbot.livejournal.com]

The following is an automated response from neckbot: All of the people in your fandom/hobby/field of study are neckbeards, even the ones who are feminists. Your fandom/hobby/field of study reeks of poor hygine, including you.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not familiar with anything past the first book, but it seems to me that people forget that Sansa is only a young girl. She's what, ten in the book? She might remain naive and disconnected from reality for the rest of the series, for all I know, but right now I view her actions through the lens of her being young and overly idealistic.

As far as her becoming a leader, I can see her becoming like Cersei later on, figuring out how to use her sex to get into a position of power.