[ SECRET POST #1714 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1714 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 201 secrets from Secret Submission Post #245.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

27. http://i54.tinypic.com/14v7gu9.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Sansa would make a terrible leader. She's completely disconnected from reality. How she's survived even this long I don't know. And I don't think my dislike of her is rooted in misogyny.

(though if there are a lot of sexist arseholes in your fandom - how do they square it with - who I imagine are - the popular characters of Arya and Daenerys?)

[(Anonymous)]

Dany gets a lot of hate as well. Actually, so does Brienne and Catelyn.

Arya is popular, and she is so boyish.

[(Anonymous)]

Arya and Daenerys are popular characters but to me this also doesn't really disprove the sexism? Arya is super popular because she's a badass tomboy who treats Jon like a brother and thinks feminine arts like embroidery are stupid. Daenerys is popular because she's a gorgeous Targaryen princess and (spoilers for fan theories, if you're not a book reader) a popular theory is that she'll marry Jon because they're Targaryens. So basically, I've seen "neckbeards" who like Daenerys, not as her own character, but as a sort of hot prize for Jon. Ugh. >__>

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not familiar with anything past the first book, but it seems to me that people forget that Sansa is only a young girl. She's what, ten in the book? She might remain naive and disconnected from reality for the rest of the series, for all I know, but right now I view her actions through the lens of her being young and overly idealistic.

As far as her becoming a leader, I can see her becoming like Cersei later on, figuring out how to use her sex to get into a position of power.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

I don't think Sansa-hate is inherently misogyny. A lot of it has to do with the fact that she did initial betray her own blood because of idiot Joffrey. Granted, she's young, but she has a lot of redemption to do (and wisdom to gain) before I'd like here anywhere near the throne.

[lunelight.livejournal.com]

I don't think Sansa-hate is inherently misogyny

I think it easily can be when she's being loathed for stuff she did while male characters are frequently given the Draco in Leather Pants (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants) treatment even after doing much worse than Sansa, and out of overt malice. Most of the stuff Sansa still gets criticized for was done out of plain 13-year-old naivete (for example, she inadvertently gave Cersei information that helped Cersei cause a lot of bad things because she still believed the court was noble).

[amarra-jade.livejournal.com]

I don't think Sansa-hate is inherently misogyny. A lot of it has to do with the fact that she did initial betray her own blood because of idiot Joffrey.

All Sansa did was tell Cersei that Ned was sending her and Arya back to Winterfell. She didn't know about the incest or about Ned's plans to have Cersei arrested, and she did everything she could to save Ned's life. I think it's ridiculous (and yes, misogynistic) that more people seem to blame her for Ned's death than they do Littlefinger, Ned (who basically doomed himself by telling Cersei what he knew), or even Joffrey.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, honest question here: How much more redemption does Sansa need before you forgive her for a single mistake she made while she was 11 years old, naive and had no idea what the consequences of her actions would be? Does she need to have her fingers flayed before she's suffered "enough" for her betrayal?

The Sansa and Cat hate is misogynistic to me because all the characters in the books make stupid, bone-headed mistakes with a lot of them suffering and dying for it, but it's the female characters who continue to get the most vitriolic hate thrown at them for it.

Anyway, as far as the books are concerned, Sansa has already learned more than enough about trusting people and the truth of politics, and with Littlefinger's help, she's going to become a lot smarter and be a pretty powerful potential player in the game.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Sansa and [] for William and Mary-esque co-rulers!

I just cannot with the hate that characters like Brienne, Sansa and Catelyn get from some sections of the fandom.

[vivalana.livejournal.com]

Almost all of my favorite characters from ASoIaF are women. How can anyone hate Brienne? Seriously.

[robintheshrew.livejournal.com]

I would like this just to spite the Sansa haters. I don't know anyone else besides OP who likes her. I feel alone :P

[typhlogirl.livejournal.com]

I'd love to have her on the throne but I'd like to see her prove she's capable.

[demeure.livejournal.com]

Do want. To spite the haters (because fuck them, she may have made some bad choices but her dad was right there with her in Stupid Choicesville and unlike young teenager Sansa, he really should have known better) and after all she's gone through/is going through she's going to be a rulership ninja.

/granted, I haven't finished DWD yet, so I don't know if she shows up there or what. AND I DO NOT WANT TO LA LA LA LA LA.

[dangerousdame.livejournal.com]

Totally agreed.

[zippytheavenger.livejournal.com]

That would be hilarious and crazy and terrible and awesome all at the same time x)

PS-I cannot wait until I have a good opportunity to use 'neckbeard'.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't think this before. BUT NOW I KINDA DO.

[4thofeleven.livejournal.com]

I honestly think she'd be a good choice - she is, if nothing else, one of the few characters who seems to be actually learning from her mistakes...

[(Anonymous)]

Seconded so fucking hard.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't read ADwD yet, but as of AFfC there are a lot of options for Sansa to come into power.

SPOILERS FOR AGoT, ACoK, ASoS, & AFfC:

Littlefinger is currently grooming Sansa to become a skilled player in the game of thrones. She's poised to become the Queen-consort of the Vale by marrying Henry Hardyng, her cousin Robert's heir to the Eyrie. She could also inherit the crown of the North from her late brother Robb and make an alliance with her uncle the current Lord of Riverrun, effectively making her ruler of at least three kingdoms.

A popular ship is that of Jon and Sansa (he has a thing for redheads, she has a thing for noble hero types) and if Jon really is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna he could very well end up on the Iron Throne as King of the Seven Kingdoms with Sansa as his Queen, or possibly Dany as his official wife and co-ruler but Sansa acting as the bearer of the royal heirs.

OR she could just end up marrying Tommen I 'spose, but I doubt he'll be King by the end of the series, though that would be an interesting twist.

END SPOILERS

I've always loved Sansa and I honestly think she has one of the most realistic reactions to the trials she goes through for her society and era, while her foil/sister Arya has probably the most insanely unrealistic (fun and interesting to read, but totally unbelievable for a myriad of reasons)

I like Sansa and Arya equally actually because I think they compliment each other nicely, it's just unfortunate that Sansa gets so much hate for the crime of behaving like an actual pampered and very young daughter of a nobleman in a medieval world would. She's just a scared little girl having to go through puberty at the worst possible time and being forced to adjust to a world that is NOTHING like she was prepared for by the songs and fairy tales of her childhood.

Her role is so important to the story because the major theme of her character is that as interesting as a world like this is to read about, it would suck tremendously to ACTUALLY live and breath in it. A Song of Ice and Fire is ALL about deconstructing the fantasy genre and Sansa's journey serves to codify that mission.

[carolpent.livejournal.com]

I think my problem with Sansa is basically that she's 13 and acts her age. I'd love to see her grow as a character, and I think she will, but for now I'm between disliking her because that's my reaction to characters like her and feeling bad for her because of the position she's ended up in.

And I agree with one of the above commenters. Sansa has an excuse for acting the way she does. Ned Stark doesn't, and though he's a decent guy I want to say DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR CHILDREN AT ALL? OR HOW POLITICS TENDS TO WORK? OR ANYTHING? That and I must have missed something major in the show because I swear he must have had a copy of the script in order to make that leap in logic that was "He has blond hair so he must be a bastard therefore Cersei and Jaime pushed my son out a window."

[(Anonymous)]

My dislike for her doesn't come from a misogynistic place. My dislike for her stems from the fact that a lot of the trouble she got into was her own fault. Certainly not all of it, but she didn't have to lie and choose that little brat over her sister. She's a self-centered, shallow little brat and she didn't figure that out until it was too late.

Now when I dislike a character, it's a little distant and vague, if that makes any sense. I leave room to change my mind. If she starts to grow as a character, I'll probably start to like her.

But I still vote for Danaerys to get the throne back, even though I don't think it's all that possible at this point. By the time she gets there, she's going to have the experience of caring for a group of people, and she's already shown compassion and determination and courage. Sansa hasn't really shown any of those qualities except for determination to get what she wants even at her own sister's expense. You know, these stories are a total bummer... I changed my mind, at least for a moment. I want Tyrion Lannister to be king. He'd bring some fun to the world along with all his practical thinking.

I think the problem with a lot of people in fandom is that they don't understand how to properly express a dislike for the character. You get a whole mob mentality going on, where people stop thinking for themselves and start agreeing with everyone else. And mobs tend to be irrational, which could certainly bring the whole misogyny thing into play. But don't have an opinion just to spite them. Have it because you think it's absolutely true. There are a few people out there who listen.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

I want her to end up happy, but to be perfectly honest I think she'd be a horrible ruler. like, all those mistakes Danaerys made in ADWD? Sansa would make all the same and more were she in her place. imo

[linndechir.livejournal.com]

I think by now I'd vote for anyone on the throne who possesses the great virtue of not being Daenerys. But, tbh, I don't see Sansa as a good ruler on her own. I think Sansa would be better as a co-ruler, sharing the rule with someone else. Sansa just strikes me as a queen who would rule through her king rather than someone who would sit on the throne herself and tell people what to do. I really can't imagine her like that.

That being said, I don't understand all the hate she gets. I understand hating pretty much every single character in this fandom, even the ones I love, because most ASOIAF characters have done despicable or at least highly questionable things that you could theoretically hate them for. I definitely understand hating Catelyn (not because of Jon, but because of her entire personality&attitude). But Sansa? I get disliking her because she's a shallow brat, especially in GoT, but hating her? It's just weird.

[lasultrix.livejournal.com]

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