[ SECRET POST #1719 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1719 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 256 secrets from Secret Submission Post #246.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

Re: 2/2

[blackjackrocket.livejournal.com]

Well frankly, Butler didn't know what he was doing if he planned it like that. I stand by my belief that it was shoddy planning. Also, if it matters, Butler is also an Aspie (I'm unsure what you mean by "the opposite end"). And it wasn't "my own system" but rather the system that's used in pretty much every identical contest.

I'm actually incredibly empathetic. But it's hard to convey through the internet. I feel a lot for other people, especially when my friends are going through hard times. But when people make no sense, that's a different matter altogether.

I've flat out said "I don't get it" and I get accused of all manner of shit, especially the whole "you're trying NOT to get it" bull that just smacks of other people either not wanting to explain or not being able to back up their own points. I mean hell, I'm in an arguement right now where someone is literally inserting a very important word that changes the entire meaning of their initial statement AFTER saying it. Not even as "this is what I meant to say" but claiming it was there all along and I clearly didn't read it if I got ANYTHING else but what they "said" (read: didn't say at all) out of it.

Oh by all means froth at the mouth. It may do some good if anyone happens to still be reading this.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, sure, even he acknowledged that your system would've worked better, and he's actually thinking of using it this year. It's just that there probably would've been a better way of putting it is the main thing I'm getting at. We're not going to talk about whether or not you're right, but if you tell someone they're wrong and they suck for being wrong, they're just not going to want to change right away for you. I mean, just look at Butler. It took him months to think you had a point.

Quick note (or some semblance thereof) about the opposite end, but basically, what I meant is that while you're both Aspie, sure, you handle things differently from him. While, yes, you're obviously a sensitive person, your first instinct seems to be to get cold. Looking at your posts, you say what's on your mind without even trying to sugarcoat it. In other words, you usually think or attempt to say things with a neutral tone, yes? That's like being Cyrus in that you're avoiding acting on emotion. Meanwhile, if you wrong Butler, meanwhile, he doesn't try to aim for neutrality; he actually flips and doesn't bother to mask his emotions. He will capslock at you if he's pissed, and he will ragequit or act without thinking things all the way through. In that sense, Butler acts on emotions, not rationality, so from his point of view, emotions are a big factor in an argument.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but I guess to continue on with the Cyrus analogy, it's like the difference between Cyrus and Special!Pryce. One of them tries to avoid acting on anger; the other flips out so much he kidnaps small children to do his bidding doesn't entirely think things through all the way. So, yeah, that's why it's tricky communicating with him: because not being extremely careful with what you say and how it comes off ends with him literally not listening to you for a while. I know that I've said things as diplomatically as possible with words I thought were pretty carefully chosen, and I still wound up setting him off, just because what I was saying came at the wrong time or because I was still too blunt. For most people, you just have to worry about being somewhere between you (Cyrusland) and Butler (Pryce on fire) in terms of checking yourself and making sure your words don't look like they have a negative tone attached to them, but because you were communicating with Butler, that just meant you would've had to go the extra mile and really read what you were saying a couple times over, basically. Otherwise, yeah, it's harder to get him to see your way.

As for the not getting it part, I'm going to have to eventually suck it up and read the tl;dr threads because I get the feeling that's the majority of where that's happening. I'm just going by what I've observed on forums and so forth, so I'm guessing the meat of that issue is on threads I haven't read yet (besides PD because we're in agreement that that thread was a massive clusterfuck).

Frothing at the mouth. I'm so very tempted to do it, but I'm pretty sure what I wrote so far is already going to end up being split into two comments again. I don't want to know how many comments pages of rants would end up being. But it's definitely forthcoming because there are people I want to bitchslap. (Protip to the people who are about to cause the second of those two rants: Just because you're anywhere on the AS does not mean we'd be A-OK with you making blatantly sexist remarks like "it's biologically proven that males are better than females.") So I might write it on my sock account and link it here eventually instead. Or grow a pair and write it on my actual LJ account. Whichever I'm feeling like doing when it's not literally the middle of the night (and why I'm awake and on F!S is a mystery for the ages because I'm clearly not coherent).

[(Anonymous)]

...And how the fuck did that not hit LJ's character limit? I've just impressed myself.

[blackjackrocket.livejournal.com]

Again I question the use of "your system" in reference to how I said things should have gone. I didn't invent that system, ergo it isn't mine. It wouldn't even be the first time it was used in a Serebii fic contest, as I was suggesting things run the way they had the year before.

You know, comparing it to characters makes sense. One of the reasons I identify with Cyrus is that he clearly HAS emotions, and very strong ones, no matter how much he tries to present himself as neutral all the time, and I think that's how I come off to people, like they think I can't be rational no matter how much I try to present myself as such. Like no matter how much I try, I can't hide them.

Haha yeah, I tell ya, a lot of people on Bulbagarden try to get away with using AS as an out for shit behavior, but they don't realize that something like 50% of the mod staff has AS and doesn't tolerate bullshit. But fortunately, we don't assume that they're lying, just that they're being asshats. I think a lot of that is the age of most of the members. They think that it's a valid shield, and have to learn that we're not going to tolerate it being used as such.

[(Anonymous)]

Bad choice of words, really. I didn't mean to imply/outright state that the system started with you (because I remember you bringing up in the thread that that was how it worked in 2008, iirc); I was just categorizing it as "the system you're proposing, as opposed to the one Butler was proposing." In other words, I just couldn't think of a way to label it as different from the system Butler had at the time without getting too wordy, especially since Butler's system was used in 2009, I do believe. Or it might have been the other way around, with yours being used in 2009 and his being based on the one done in 2008. I'm honestly too lazy to go look it up and get the dates right, but I know that at one point before Butler ran the event, we did have nominations start at the tail end of the eligibility period. And then we extended it like all hell. Point is, calling one "old" and the other "new" wouldn't entirely work because they were both technically old. Maybe one "newer" and the other "original"?

Also, awesome that the comparison didn't fall flat. Honestly, if there's any fictional character I associate with you, it's Cyrus for the exact reason you brought up. I'm not sure if it's because I've seen a lot of your character on dear_mun and a lot of your analysis pop up on forums, but I've only really been able to see him as trying his hardest to act on rationality. But he clearly has emotions on some level too because of the point of Team Galactic. As far as I know in the games, he doesn't really cite specific examples as to why the world that already existed is a piece of crap and why he needs to go create a new one for him to shape. I just always thought he was secretly immensely frustrated with everything to the point where he just couldn't handle the reality that he already had. But I may just be pulling things out of nowhere because I also have a tendency to mix canon up and because I haven't yet played Platinum. (I know you don't like the anime's take on Cyrus, but I have to say I actually found it interesting how he insisted to his subordinates that they shouldn't fight because that's an act of anger. That might be one of the wildly OOC parts you found, but that particular bit was what really made me say, "Yeah, this is BJR.")

You have a good point about it being age and how kids like that just need to learn that AS doesn't mean "free pass at being an asshat." I'm a bit leery, though, at the people who claim they're eighteen or older doing it, especially if they've been to other forums. Of course, they still might not be lying about being an Aspie or autistic on any other level, but still.

[blackjackrocket.livejournal.com]

Perhaps, or "the original system" and "Butler's system", since he was really the one doing it.

Yeah, the whole point is basically out of a really twisted altruism, like "you all have fucked it up, now stand aside, I won't let you fuck things up any more". And insofar as motivation, he talks a lot about strife, which I know is vague but gives the implication that he wants to end suffering (especially his bizarre pacifism that you mentioned. And no, that was one of the far more in-keeping-with-the-games moments. It's mostly the ending that made it wildly OOC, especially since "going off somewhere alone" is something he says pretty much word for word that he'll NEVER do in the games). There's also a lot of frustration, at a variety of things. His backstory, which we get in Pt, is pretty simple but it's easy to see how it could lead to where it did--he was a genius child but his parents were never pleased, so he retreated emotionally and took to machinery. Basically, logical things that could be rebuilt, and that he could control.

Then there's the non-canon-but-plausable idea that, since Sunyshore (his hometown) is based on a town that was almost wiped out in WW2, so depending on how close to the real world you want to think things are, he would have grown up with that having happened in his grandfather's time (and according to Pt, his grandfather seems to be the only person in his family who cared for him).

Blaaah I go on and on when prompted. I don't really have any war destruction in my history but I do have extreme pressure to succeed. Basically when I was young I had the grades to be in honors classes but no administration would let me because of my behavior issues, so I had to basically keep everything under wraps and remain beyond reproach (it...didn't exactly work, but I did manage to get into honors classes eventually). So to me, people were basically keeping me out of classes for no reason, because to me my reactions were entirely logical. As my reactions now are. People give me shit, I fight back. Do they expect me to sit there and take it? Did they ever?

Yargle I've blabbed so much.