[ SECRET POST #1727 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1727 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure most of us, in the same situation and with the same upbringing, would have done the same thing. Though of course we all hope we'd be the exception... but we can see this trend all through history. Normal people doing terrible things. It's stupid to fool yourself that -you- wouldn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I once took an online "Would you have been a Nazi" test and got the answer that I would have been one of the people who just didn't get involved. I'm not saying tests that are the absolute truth but it made me think.

(Also the test didn't ask if I'm Jewish, which I am, so I wouldn't have had the option of just not getting involved. But still.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm sure some people wouldn't have been involved. But everyone - including me- thinks they would have been one of the few to opt out.

And yeah, of course had you been born Jewish you wouldn't have. But then, we're not talking about who we are now, but about what we could have been were we born in a (thankfully) different era.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Well, by "didn't get involved" I mean the test said I would have been one of the people who knew what was going on and didn't participate but also didn't interfere. People like to think they would have been one of the people who fought the Nazis, and needless to say I like to think that too, but the test gave me something to think about.

And of course it made me think, well, what am I sitting back and watching now? I like to think I'm aware and getting involved against shit that goes on but... people then probably thought the same thing about themselves.

[cypherwulf.livejournal.com]

This is the most intelligent and self aware post I've seen in this thread.

[(Anonymous)]

I would have been one of the people who knew what was going on

This part, I think, is what would have been the most difficult to overcome. We now know the horrible extent of what was going on thanks to hindsight and history books, but if we had been living in that time period, I'd say many of us would have been ignorant of the true atrocities, and that's the most dangerous.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone could have been a Nazi, even you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

my first thought. Kudos.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I did not know about this. Knowledge has a bitter taste.

[(Anonymous)]

The Milgram experiment is worth little as an experiment, it's flawed. When the authority figures were sying it was okay to go on, it -was- okay. Perfectly safe, in fact. The authority figures weren't Nazi maniacs. In real life more people would have objected.

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

That is pretty bullshit. Not on you personally, but humans as a whole are very susceptible to group pressure and propaganda. In different situations we can be angels or monsters.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I'm not sure what you mean? Because as far as I can tell I agree with what you're saying. I don't think people co-operated with the Nazis (or stood by and did nothing) because they were inherently monsters.

Everyone wants to say they would have fought if they have lived then but obviously a ton of people didn't.

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's what I mean. You can't have a test that says whether or not you'd be a Nazi. The only test of that is to be in the situation yourself.

I don't know if I'd do it or not. So I try to keep a close eye on what I'm doing.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I see what you mean then, and I definitely don't think the test proved what I would do. And I didn't run around linking people to the test.

But just the idea of thinking "Would I really have fought the Nazis like I think?" (if I could have fit in with them instead) was freaky.

And it definitely made me think about what I do here and now, which is the important part.

[seiberwing.livejournal.com]

Oh, it's always a horrible (yet necessary) thought. I think everyone with a conscience has it.

[cypherwulf.livejournal.com]

I agree with this. Pretty much everyone does things that later generations will
think us evil for participating in. They will wonder where we were for the environment and for animals when we still had time to stop imminent catastrophic ecological collapse.

"I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men." --Leonardo da Vinci

"Our grandchildren will ask us one day: Where were you during the Holocaust of the animals? What did you do against these horrifying crimes? We won't be able to offer the same excuse for the second time, that we didn't know." --Dr. Helmut Kaplan

[(Anonymous)]

this is amazingly confusing if it's supposed to be a point of some sort.

You're either comparing eating at McDonalds to being a Nazi during the holocaust -

Or you're implying that eating cows that are raised to be food is somehow thinning out the Bengal tigers because eating meat equals killing the environment.

Either way, you might want to rethink either your phrasing or the point/s you're trying to make. Doing things now to give a better world to those that will come after us is important, But over-exaggeration is not your friend in this argument.

[cypherwulf.livejournal.com]

Yes, eating meat does destroy the environment, as well as animal lives. For one of many examples, meat eating is the primary cause of deforestation which is one of the primary causes of extinction. Unfortunately I only have a phone to write this on so I can't go into as much detail as I would like. There are plenty of websites and books out there on the subject. Even the UN agrees with me on this and they aren't exactly bastions of environmental stewardship.

[(Anonymous)]

On the contrary, I thought sie made a very clear point. Living beings are being slaughtered in a mass-scale, factory-process way right now. We're all aware of this, and most of us have the resources and the intelligence to know it is wrong, but it's easier for us to pretend it's okay. We don't do a thing to stop it.

I think it's very telling that this comment got so few responses.