[ SECRET POST #1727 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1727 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If she's consistently criticizing everything done wrong and never praising steps in the right direction

yeah, lemme tell you, the major problem with feminism is it doesn't fawn and thank men/media whenever they're not grossly sexist. so ungrateful that sometimes they can meet the basic standards of human decency.

[(Anonymous)]

But a balanced review makes things look less like randomised hatin' to doubters and more like a, well, balanced review.

You know: "this is shit, this is shit, this is shit, but look at this! This thing? This is awesome!" Because at the minute, finding places that point me in the direction of the awesome things is pretty difficult. Because sometimes things aren't all shit (and sometimes there are okay things that are awesome in some regards and shit in others.)

[(Anonymous)]

i think it's good to point out stuff when it's awesome!

my problem is:

a) it shouldn't be required to be taken seriously--you shouldn't have to find something good, no matter how small, to be "balanced." (this sounds kinda like how news reporters feel obligated to invite "both sides" no matter how unfounded and ridiculous one is.)

and mostly, b) the original comment said "praise steps in the right direction," which i interpret to mean any steps, no matter how tiny. i'm all for pointing out when something's awesome, but, like, treating a woman who enjoys sex as 100% normal and not either a slut OR fanservice for dudes is technically a "step in the right direction," but i'm not going to go out of my way to praise that because it's so basic.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Are you comparing entertainment to news? Because, no. That's the biggest problem with media-consuming culture now, is that so many people can't tell the difference and equate their importance.

[(Anonymous)]

Anybody who understands how learning works can tell you that pointing out the good jobs alongside correcting the bad ones works a hell of a lot better than just constantly going, "No, that's wrong." People are so inundated by a sexist society that they don't always know why something is offensive, nor do they know how to make it less/not offensive. In a feminist space, yeah, criticize away. Most people there are going to know what you're talking about. But out in the rest of the world, it helps to appeal to the audience instead of alienating them by making them think that they can't get anything right.

That aside, my comment wasn't a critique of feminism, it's a critique on critical reviews in general. It just happens to apply to a feminist topic this time around.

[dragonladyk.livejournal.com]

This isn't just true of reviews for media. This is true in management, teaching, dog training, parenting... pretty much any time you need to convince someone to change.

Have a cookie, anon.

DragonLady

[(Anonymous)]

i don't have an issue with pointing out something that is legitimately good. my problem was in response to the wording "praise steps in the right direction," which i took to mean any step, no matter how minuscule or basic. perhaps that's not quite what you meant, but that's how i read it. this may be because i'm used to (and tired of) seeing women enthusiastically praise men or media for not being complete sexist douchebags.

i mean, yes, positive reinforcement can help, but i think it'd be equally ridiculous to expect a boss to look at a horrible employee and go "well, you lost us a million dollars, you managed to break every piece of equipment in this office, and when you tripped me earlier i broke my foot... but you tried! and you came into the office on time today!" in the same way i don't think people should be obligated to praise any bare-minimum not-awful (as opposed to genuinely great) thing.