[ SECRET POST #1746 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1746 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Yes! Precure 5/Yes! Pretty Cure 5]


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[FFVIII]


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[Lost Girl]


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[Hogan's Heroes]


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[Emilie Autumn]


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[Raising Hope]


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[Kagerou]


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[Torchwood]


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[Love Actually]


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13. http://i52.tinypic.com/2qatp5d.jpg
[South Park, linked for porn and also probably underage porn at that]


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[Alice in Wonderland]


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[Young Avengers]


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[Muppets]


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[George Washington and the Marquis de Lafayette]


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[Naruto]


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42. [SPOILERS for doctor who]



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44. [SPOILERS for surburban knights (dvd)]



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45. [SPOILERS for The Hour (BBC)]



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46. [SPOILERS for Adventure Time]

[TRIGGER WARNING for pedophilia]




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Notes:

Sorry about late, FS was broken on LJ for a while.

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #248.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand how anyone can be happy with what happened to River's characterization this past series as a whole. We started with an adventurous and independent woman, now we have a love sick obsessed woman who will let the universe die for one man and who has no identity outside the Doctor.

The wedding definitely made me roll my eyes, but it was just one of many problems of what happened to poor River. Even Alex Kingston could not save it.

[(Anonymous)]

She was raised to kill the Doctor. And she got called out on her "nobody will suffer more than me" thing. Thirdly, she'll basically commit suicide when the Doctor doesn't recognize her. A badass, majorly flawed person in love doesn't have to be a man.

[(Anonymous)]

There is a difference between a flawed female character and a problematic female character. You may not agree but some of us are seeing River as problematic.

Moffat has issues with his views on women, if you examine his female characters closely enough, it's not really hard to see.

[(Anonymous)]

But this is what I'm saying: being raised to kill the Doctor, their back to front interactions, refusing to kill him and destroying time, being a psychopath - none of these are portrayed as okay things.

[(Anonymous)]

Things being pointed out in the text as flawed does not free it from being problematic though. It's kind of like how I don't believe pointing out a plot hole in the text (like the Doctor has done at times) makes the plot hole any less of a plot hole, it just means the writers were aware of it and too lazy to come up with a real fix other then a hand wave.

There are many things I don't find inherently problematic about River (I don't care that she's a psychopath, I usually love crazy characters) but all together the fact that her ENTIRE identity revolves around the Doctor is a little off to me.

Now there are reasons for this in plot, certainly, but you have to take a step back and look at the fact that there was someone who put those reasons there, who wrote them in, and who most importantly could have chose not to write them in.

Moffat did not have to make River's whole identity about the Doctor, he chose to do so.

This is just my opinion though, I am not asking you to agree, but these are just my own reasons for having issues with River's characterization.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, understand a bit better. I'm enjoying her storyline and I want to see more of it but likewise, just my opinion. :)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/]

Now there are reasons for this in plot, certainly, but you have to take a step back and look at the fact that there was someone who put those reasons there, who wrote them in, and who most importantly could have chose not to write them in.

Yeah, I feel like fandom forgets this a lot. I hated what happened to River this season, but even though I think, for instance, that her characterization in 6x13 was completely terrible, it was terrible in a way that leaves me frustrated with the writer, not the character.

[(Anonymous)]

This. She was awesome, but became mediocre.

[(Anonymous)]

well she is getting younger, younger people are less capable due to lack of life-experiences. Don't worry, she'll grow into awesome River, but that is in our past now.

[tonko-ni.livejournal.com]

This comment is how I feel.

Also, I'm not sure what happened, because I enjoyed the first half of the season, and almost nothing of the second half. I literally forgot I'd watched the finale.

Stormaggedon was cute though :D

[(Anonymous)]

This.

I used to really like her in the beginning. I was all, "Oh my god this chick is AWESOME I can't wait to see more!!"

And then...I saw more. 8|

[(Anonymous)]

of course she was awesome and amazing, and all of that other stuff at the start. Or rather, at the finish. Since what we saw first was the end product of someone living through all this stuff. That's life, when you are a mature adult you are a much better person than the drippy wet pillock you were as a kid, or a teenager, or in your twenties, all of that is a learning experience enabling growth. We saw the mature adult at the end of that growth first, and have worked backwards ever since. It is character regression, intentionally so, as we go back along her timeline as she gets younger, less capable, less experienced, more starry eyed, more like a daft teenager. With a concept like River's of course she is going to be less amazing each time we see her, and that makes her more fallible and real.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with that is it now affects how we see her as a fully matured adult though, we didn't know at the beginning that her life revolved around the Doctor, we know she cared for him deeply yes, but for all we knew she had her own identity outside of the Doctor.

Now she doesn't, that's not just regressing her younger self, that's regressing her older self as well in the process.

[adlanth.livejournal.com]

The problem with that is it now affects how we see her as a fully matured adult though

Not necessarily. Just because she was initially obsessed with the Doctor and her identity revolved around him doesn't mean she didn't then develop other interests/relationships.

[elica.livejournal.com]

She grows up to be the kind of woman we saw in the last season, who coldn't decide between her mission to kill the doctor and her love for him. Than she became the independant and badass heroin we saw last year.
You know how ? Because the first River we saw was older than the last one.
I find this quite comforting.