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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-24 07:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #1756 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1756 ⌋


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jactrades: Mole from Arrested Development (Stock - Prepare to fly)

[personal profile] jactrades 2011-10-25 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, but in order for an act to be non-consensual, there has to be a possibility of consent, no? Things - and a dead body is just a thing, not a person, in the end - aren't in the class of entities that can give consent. There's no mind there, after all.

I suppose the counterargument is that the person, before death could give (or not give) consent via a will or whatever - but upon reflection, I think that that form of consent is a different one entirely from the consent implied in the term "non-consensual". (insert rant about the slippery English language) Consent given via a will would be more along the lines of "this is what I want done with my things after my death" - and these generally aren't the sort of wishes we (as a society) give equal preference to as those of living people. (See organ transplants, for example).

I should really just go read the SEP article on this, and then stop thinking about dead bodies & their wishes.

[identity profile] loolaa.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, but in order for an act to be non-consensual, there has to be a possibility of consent, no?

I don't think so. For example some one living eg: someone with dementia or very severe learning disabilities would be unable to give consent. It would still be considered rape to have sex with them.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
They can't consent because even when they do they're have not had the possibility to make an informed decision. On the flip side a corpse can't make any decision at all.

[identity profile] loolaa.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 10:56 am (UTC)(link)
They can't consent because even when they do they're have not had the possibility to make an informed decision.

That's what I just said.

On the flip side a corpse can't make any decision at all.

I purposefully left out any references to necrophilia because I have no interest in a pointless discussion about the subject. My only reason for commenting was to say that there doesn't always have to be a possibility of consent in order for an act to be non-consensual.
Edited 2011-10-25 10:57 (UTC)