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fandomsecrets2011-11-03 07:38 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-11-03 07:38 pm
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(Anonymous) 2011-11-04 01:26 am (UTC)(link)- lose the wizard/mentor archetype, which immediately eliminates the prospect of character development where he assists companions in their learning about the universe, morals, etc
- lose the prospect of character development where companions disagree with him and assert it (Jamie commenting on the Doctor's morality, Donna not taking any shit from him)
- get rid of agency from companions in love with him. Rose no longer had ambition outside of the Doctor, River had no life outside of the Doctor, poor Martha had no agency outside of the Doctor till she decided to leave him, which was a waste of a character opportunity considering she was a doctor herself and could have learnt so much had they not focused on her crush so much
- typecast actors playing the doctor to appeal to a very narrow view of the female gaze- young, athletic, hot
- Family program still means something you can show to children. Sort of related, but I find it very sad that the Doctor is no longer for a lot of fans someone they'd want to learn from and be friends with but someone they want to bone
- Immediate problem when we start to explore the Doctor's sexuality. Is he heterosexual, and is he turned on by standard Western tropes of sexuality that are very limiting? (so far we've seen him attracted to fair western women who he exerts a lot of authority over). That turns the doctor in to a Man, not an Alien with alien tastes and so forth, and frankly I don't want to have to YET AGAIN deal with the male gaze being applied in what is escapism for me. Not to mention the problems with his authority and the very inequal relationships that have been portrayed so far.
I don't expect anyone to respond to these, they're just some of the reasons I don't like a sexual doctor.
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I find that introducing romance for the Doctor into the story mostly acts to make the show less interesting, and the character less alien. It feels as if someone sat down and said "we need to write romance in because it's what modern TV audiences - or fandoms - want to see", rather than something born from the character.
And this is from someone who wants to bone Matt Smith's Doctor quite a lot, incidentally. :D
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Martha realizing that she had to tell the Doctor to go fuck himself was the point of her arc. She pined and pined and didn't realize that she was better than that until she actually proved that she was. She got her chance to see how amazing she was in The Year That Never Was and she came out better.
Nine wasn't a romantic interest for Rose at all. That was just Ten. Nine was like a big brother/silly uncle to Rose. So it's only barely weighted on the side of "Doctor's companions always fall in love with him." Rose and Nine and Donna and Ten weren't romantic/sexual relationships at all. There was Ten/Rose, one-sided Ten/Martha, and one-sided Eleven/Amy which ended in a flash.
It's already been shown that the Doctor isn't confined to simply human standards of beauty. Nine flirts with Jade and with Capt. Jack. Just because he's shown being attracted to human women doesn't mean that's the limit of his sexuality. You can be pan and still date mostly one sex/gender. Doesn't mean you aren't pan. And it's already been pointed out that "humans look Time Lord" so it's not the Doctor simply falling for human women; human women happen to look like Time Lords, of which there are no more LOL. So the Doctor can still be an alien and a man; a Time Lord man who's attracted to women who look like women of his own alien race.
I'll agree with you on the points about unequal relationships though. That's why Donna is my favorite companion and why I find Eleven/Amy so squicky.
I don't think him having a romantic side necessarily has to do any of those things to him. You can be unhappy with the way his relationships are written (and you wouldn't be without reason) but dismissing the possibility of that side of his character because two people screwed it up in their own interpretations seems a bit premature. I'm positive it can be done well and frankly, S6 was the only season in which I felt the romantic side of things dominated the show, which is why I didn't like it. Previous seasons had romance but they still remembered to include the jaunts and aliens that I love about DW.
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This. It feels so jarring. And retconning some of his old relationships into romances [coughSarahJanecough] isn't helping. And before someone mentions Grace: He had just regenerated, he always acts a little weird.
typecast actors playing the doctor to appeal to a very narrow view of the female gaze- young, athletic, hot
THIS.
The athletic thing doesn't bother me so much--as has been said, "So much running!" But the young and attractive thing... I'd love to see them cast an older actor, who might not be conventionally attractive (granted, some argue Matt Smith qualifies).
Immediate problem when we start to explore the Doctor's sexuality. Is he heterosexual [...]
This is a very good point. Would they even have the balls to have the Doctor have a long term relationship with even a conventionally attractive human(oid) man, much less someone--or some THING--that doesn't even register as humanoid? Consider they won't even give him an alien companion, I'm not holding my breath.
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(Anonymous) 2011-11-04 05:28 am (UTC)(link)As I'm sure 70's Sarah Jane would paraphrase the Doctor; what unmitigated balderdash.
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(Anonymous) 2011-11-04 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)The annoying thing with Jo was that it was the Doctor who'd pretty much begged her to travel with him and she said no because that wasn't the life she wanted and it was the Doctor who had to walk out of her life. Wheras I could almost buy the angst with Sarah Jane because the Doctor did just dump her when she didn't want to leave and then never come back (though the romance thing still annoys me because they always seemed like brother/sister to me). But with Jo I wanted it to be the Doctor's feelings of rejection that were brought up when they were reunited. :-/