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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-11-03 07:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #1766 ]


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[identity profile] cdaae.livejournal.com 2011-11-04 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know what anon's reasoning is, but for me, almost none of the romantic relationships involving the Doctor we've been shown have felt entirely realistic or satisfactory. I could never really buy them (except for the Girl in the Fireplace).

I don't agree with anon that the Doctor should necessarily remain entirely asexual; I just think keeping him that way would have been better than substandard romances, particularly romances where there is such a massive power difference. As anon said, 900+ year old Time Lord, with 20 year old Earthling... yuck. Maybe I don't quite buy that Doctor because I don't want to buy that Doctor. If the romance was with more of an equal, another alien with a long lifespan and similar intelligence, I might not find it as grating.

None of this spoils my enjoyment of the show too very much, because I largely just ignore the bits I don't like with Doctor Who, old or new. But if they'd stop putting so much attention on the romance, and put more back into the adventure, sci-fi and drama, I think it'd make the show stronger.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-04 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I like you. I agree.

[identity profile] wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com 2011-11-04 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone bought The Girl in the Fireplace but I found that boring and contrived. There was literally nothing there. The Doctor falls for Reinette in two seconds. It was ridiculous. Not to mention the "Girl grows up in love with imaginary friend" trope. Same reason I didn't like the Eleven/Amy thing. But that's neither here nor there.

As anon said, 900+ year old Time Lord, with 20 year old Earthling... yuck.

I get the "yuck" but at the same time, I've always wondered how old the Doctor would be in human years. Like, what's the equivalent? How long do Time Lords live? Where would he be in his human time line? That's the thing, along with how little we know about his family, that keeps me from saying it could never be OK. I will qualify that by saying that equality in a relationship matters. For instance, if the Doctor/Donna was ever to be a romantic thing, it wouldn't bother me at all. She was more than a match for him LOL.

But if they'd stop putting so much attention on the romance, and put more back into the adventure, sci-fi and drama, I think it'd make the show stronger.

I definitely agree. I think it was at an alright (although NOT perfect) level during S1 and even S2. The romance has really taken over now and it's drawing away from the sci-fi jaunt aspect.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-04 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Kind of insulting to the 20 year old Earthling. Now we humans aren't capable of making decisions for ourselves?

[identity profile] criedtherabbit.livejournal.com 2011-11-06 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
As anon said, 900+ year old Time Lord, with 20 year old Earthling... yuck.

I don't understand this mentality. Time Lords live longer, so they probably take a longer time to mature. A human at 20 is not what a Time Lord would be at 20, because humans mature faster due to their shorter lifespan.

What is wrong about two consenting adults, each a member of a compatible species, being together? Susan fell in love with a human. It isn't unprecedented.

[identity profile] cdaae.livejournal.com 2011-11-06 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Time Lords live longer, so they probably take a longer time to mature. A human at 20 is not what a Time Lord would be at 20, because humans mature faster due to their shorter lifespan.

Is there any evidence in the canon for this theory? Because to me it just sounds like an attempt at rationalizing away a massive, massive power difference.

[identity profile] criedtherabbit.livejournal.com 2011-11-06 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Is there any evidence in the canon for this theory? Because to me it just sounds like an attempt at rationalizing away a massive, massive power difference.

I just looked up Susan's case and I admit I'm wrong. In "The Stolen Earth", the does refer to himself as being a "kid" at 90 years old. But since Susan was stated as being fifteen and the Doctor left her behind to be with the person she loved (who, I'll repeat, was human) during her run, I suppose he was just being facetious.

However, the age at which Time Lords (and Ladies) mature still has no bearing on human beings, who are considered to be adults at 20.