[ SECRET POST #1775 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1775 ⌋


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Comments

[zarteblume.livejournal.com]

But if everyone stopped having babies then we'd have an aging population which puts a lot of strain on the economy because as older people retire there won't be any young people to take their jobs.

Basically the whole social security freak out here in the US.

[panaili.livejournal.com]

But if everyone stopped having babies then we'd have an aging population which puts a lot of strain on the economy because as older people retire there won't be any young people to take their jobs.

I completely agree. There are currently multiple countries going through this exact problem, due to the increasingly talented health care system and the lowering birth rates. Population aging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_ageing) is a serious issue that is exacerbated by declining birth rates. You phrased it very succinctly. :)

Unfortunately for the OP, simply limiting birth rates is not going to solve the population problem. In fact, there's a really good chance doing such a thing would cause many more problems down the road. [insert obligatory Chinese one-child policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy) reference here]

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely this. It's a much more complex issue than 'cut the birth rates'. The changing demographic of the population has caused havoc with our pensions system over here. I don't think I'll ever be able to retire. You can't just change one thing without a knock on effect somewhere else. The solution suggested by op is incredibly short sighted.

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

Immigration is the solution.

[zarteblume.livejournal.com]

That could work in the USA but it would be unreasonable to think every country could balance out low to nonexistent birthrates with immigration.

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

Why is it unreasonable? The only countries which have this problem are first world western countries - how is it unreasonable for first world western countries to increase immigration. It's cheaper for western coutnries to accept immigrants (even unskilled) and train them, then it is to raise children from birth and educate them.

[(Anonymous)]

Train them to do what? There are PLENTY of citizens of first world countries already trained and willing to work. There's just no jobs. Do you even know how many able-bodied and unemployed people are looking for work in the US? Nearly 14 MILLION.

There's no money or resources to train immigrants to work here. We can't even feed our own hungry, poor, sick, old, and unemployed, why would we import more workers when we can't employ the workers we already have to support???

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

And it's also a quicker solution.

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

Immigration is the only thing keeping the US from declining in population as it is.

But the US isn't what's causing overpopulation. India and other second world nations are the ones fueling the baby boom.

[(Anonymous)]

Only if they're immigrating to Utopia. The USA is in economic and social meltdown mode right now. Unless those immigrants are rich and bringing thousands of jobs or new factories with them, they aren't going to do anything here but drag the country further down the rabbit hole than it already is. We don't need more workers here, or even more doctors and scientists and physicists. We need an overhaul of how we think, consume, and live for a sustainable future. Immigration won't do a single thing to solve that.

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

So having babies would solve this? You have an aging population and not enough workers in the younger generation to support them, the demographics are skewered, so either you have more babies (which takes time) to help that situation, or you get more immigrants from countries which have a current overpopulation problem.

The economic meltdown isn't because of the number of people, it's because your government hasn't regulated industry or taxed the rich well enough.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't think luring people of color away from their country of origin with the promise of a better life (which rarely comes true these days) so they can serve to support an aging first world population sounds a little exploitative? Because it sounds to me like the person who suggested this is viewing third world populations like commodities.

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

You don't have to lure anyone to go to the USA. Or any country which has a peaceful 'more' tolerant society. It's about accepting people who are desperate to escape persecution, and are willing to risk their lives to do so. There are millions of refugees in the world, who can't go home, and don't want to go home.

[(Anonymous)]

I think what some of this thread says is that you can't just take a bunch of people who've lived all their lives in societies that have broken completely down and just drop them somewhere else without the new host society suffering, and it's not unreasonable for members of that host society not to want to risk that without proper controls and safeguards in place. Unrestricted immigration is not the answer to either problem.

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

You realise you're repeating the same propaganda that you hear from any right wing anti-immigration political party.

[(Anonymous)]

you realize you have no grasp on the world, immigration, population, etc.: any of these issues, right?

you just spout the same nonsense that.. nobody really agrees with because societies that are plagued by a lack of jobs can't provide jobs for immigrants either!!!!

herp derp moron, if there's not enough jobs for the native population why do you think letting however many more people rush in from other countries will magically make jobs, or give those people a better life when they can't get work to make money?

[(Anonymous)]

No, I don't realize that and I'm not against immigration. I live in a town with a very large minority population. The people who have emigrated here have enriched the community, revitalized the local economy, and just all around made my home a much more awesome place. But that foreign influx happened over a period of 40 years. The ONLY reason we all get along with very few incidents is because we (both sides) were assimilated/introduced to the other culture slowly and carefully, over time.

You know, sometimes when societies function well and long on a large scale they do so because they've made choices (good and bad) that serve their citizenry as a whole. That means that some people who are not of the same citizenry are not served and are in jeopardy, but the long-term solution to that will have to happen on their native ground, not a foreign one.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I'm as liberal as anyone can get, and yeah, they have a point. (And the Right in this country actually LOVES illegal immigrants - cheap labor who won't start unions for fear of deportation.)

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

The thing that always seemed weird to me about that logic is that with less people, there will be less demand, and thus less jobs to be filled.

I mean, as the population increased, it wasn't like there were never new jobs that could be filled by the new people - the new people created new demand. I think it would work the same way in reverse.