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welp, have fun appealing to creepy weirdos who fetishize fatness and weight gain then. because yes i realize some people find fatties hot but it's a SERIOUSLY small subset of society, and like i said, it's basically a fetish. do you not find that bizarre?

lol ok enjoy yourself. i'll be over here, wearing clothes that fit and are appropriate for my body type and looking classy.

lol same anon

you couldn't be more obvious if you tried

(ayrt) LOL actually no. because we both type with no caps? great detective skills.

take a deep breath and turn your attention to your inner self

Well, I won't be catering to those people or anyone else, but I'll be sure to check in and let you know if my girlfriend thinks I'm hot. :)

And I don't find the fetishization of fat women "bizarre," because our sociocultural bias against fat women in particular (as opposed to fat men) reinforces the view that fat women cannot be sexually attractive, and thus those who would otherwise be attracted to fat women are shamed, implicitly and explicitly, for that attraction in many cases even before they would realize they had it and directed to more normatively valued attraction, i.e. thin women.

I wonder when I implied that I would not be wearing clothes that fit me. Clothing can be tight without being ill-fittingly so, anon.

But please be more obviously insecure about your body, it amuses me.

well if she's your girlfriend i assume she does think you're hot, or else there would be a problem.

tight fitting clothes + excess fat is not the greatest combination. and i'm glad to see that while you called out someone upthread for making assumptions about you, you freely make them about me. i feel like i have a very good understanding of what my body is and how it looks. it's not perfect, but it's getting there, and until then i'm dressing it how it should be dressed instead of going the sausage-casing route.

ps, also, not a troll. i'm just completely uncensoring myself which is something i don't do very often. fact: people DO have unpopular opinions.

fact: people DO have unpopular opinions.

Quoting for truth. And hey, if you think that automatically makes us terrible, ugly, friendless people of no worth? Pot, kettle, etc.

You know something? Criticizing or laughing at women for flaunting their bodies when they don't fit the ideal body shape and saying they need to put on some clothes and hide their cellulite is a really shitty thing to do. Not only is it hurtful and judgemental, it's also pretty fucking misogynist, because you're suggesting women should be ashamed of their bodies if they don't fit the patriarchal ideal. That's shitty and wrong, and you are a shitty and horrible person if you do it. It's not at all hypocritical to suggest that.

it's not like I go around heckling fat people on the street, again, calm down. and not being overweight is not just part of some 'patriarchal ideal', it's called being healthy. Fuck the patriarchy, it's a HUMAN BEING ideal. It's what's natural. I don't give a crap about cellulite, it happens to everyone short of miracles happening, but there's never an excuse for rolls of chub draping over ill-fitting clothes.

If it were about "being healthy," this wouldn't be about appearance, since a) you can be healthy and fat despite what you may think, and b) if it were only about health you would mind your own fucking business and not shame and demean fat people for their appearance and size. If it were just about health, men and women would get the same amount of shit for being fat - but they don't. If it were just about health, it wouldn't matter what kind of clothes people wear.

Your health concern-trolling is transparent and utter bullshit.

I have nothing against fat people for being fat. It's unfortunate but it happens. It's the people like you who refuse to see it as a problem and act proud, flaunting your terrible standards that I would love to shame and demean for promoting horrible ideals. 'Fat and fit' is a rarity, most people are just fat. It's not a good thing, and it shouldn't be defended.

That said, I DON'T shame and demean these people, because you're right, it ISN'T any of my business, and again, this is just a trolly thread on the internets. I judge them to myself and move on, and respect the hell out of those with enough willpower to try doing something about it instead of just screeching to the heavens that they're beautiful just the way they are.

And fat dudes are just as bad. Quit trying to bring sexism into it.

-10/10

You hit too many of the standard "BUT OMG FAT ACCEPTANCE IS PROMOTING UNHEALTHY IDEALS" bullshit points and the pathetic attempt at denying your sexism to be takien seriously anymore.

standards are standards for a reason.

You really need to go back to trollschool if that's the best you have to offer

If you really had "nothing against fat people for being fat" and didn't shame and demean them, you wouldn't be in this thread going on and on about how unattractive you find fat people, being fatphobic, etc.

And honestly? I don't want to hear your shitty opinions on fat people and whether or not you think fat people are healthy. I'm sorry-- I didn't know you could tell looking at someone how healthy they are, generally. And anyway, if you're just ~thinking about their health, do you also feel disgust and judgment over people who are too thin, when studies show that being underweight can be just as harmful to your health as being overweight or even obese? Oh, no, let me guess, no, because they're not fat.

And you know what? Saying people who are fat and don't want to diet and try to drastically lose weight at all costs lack willpower? That you judge fat people? Those things are fatphobic. And yes, thinking those things is pretty damn solid evidence that you aren't just all about the health.

(Again, if it were ~all about health~, you'd be minding your own damn beeswax, anyway, because other people's health is not your business.)

lol. As if fatphobia isn't so incredibly tied into sexism. Please stop being ignorant, anon.

Lol, trolly, why am I still feeding you.

Your whole issue with fat people is you don't like the way they look. That's why you're complaining all over this thread about how gross they are and omg can't they just stop being in your eyesight.

And if you're the same anon that posted cosplay pictures of 'good' and 'bad' fat cosplay... again, all the 'good' fat cosplayers weren't showing much skin. All the 'bad' fat cosplayers were.

This has nothing to do with health and everything to do with your belief that women should always fit certain beauty standards.

I love this comment.

No kidding.

lol. You know, seriously, I'm kind of laughing here because for years I was taught and told what you just said, that fat people shouldn't wear tight clothing. My mother verbally and emotionally abused me for years because I was fat, and constantly bought me clothing that was two or even three sizes too large because it would "make me look smaller" and "fitted clothes will make you look fatter!" When I was old enough to make my own clothing decisions and secure enough in my body to try, I bought fitted and, yes, even tight clothing and discovered, to my surprise, that not only were they more comfortable, but I looked fucking amazing in them. My self-esteem skyrocketed. So your telling me that fat and tight clothes don't go together just really makes me think back to that and smile, because I know now that I don't have to listen to what bigoted jerks tell me about how to dress.

It's a valid assumption. Those who pick on others for their body and/or appearance are, more often than not, insecure about their own bodies and appearances. No one would pick on anyone else if they didn't feel they got some benefit out of it - a sense of superiority, a feeling of validation in themselves, or an alleviation of insecurities, for example. People who are truly secure in who they are don't judge and hate like this.

People do have unpopular opinions. However, when those opinions verge into the realm of bigotry (and anti-fat/fatphobia is a form of bigotry), they should look to correcting their "opinions" and being respectful to people as human beings, not continuing to hate on them.

P.S. I'm not telling you the above story because I'm looking for validation, or anything like that. More to demonstrate the real and harmful effects of fatphobia in a minor way, and to relate why, exactly, I find your comment so damn funny.

Edited 2011-12-06 02:55 (UTC)

ok well i think maybe we're taking each other's comments on how clothing fits to the extreme. i'm not saying fat people should wear fucking tents everywhere because yeah that looks terrible. i'm also not saying they can slink into a herve leger and look good. there IS an in between, and some people (getting back to the main point here, COSPLAYERS) fail to recognize this.

i'm pretty sure my opinion isn't going to be corrected any time soon. i do not find fat people appealing or attractive, period. i definitely don't laugh in their faces or even snicker behind their backs but i don't enjoy seeing women and/or men walking around with their guts hanging out of their shirts. it has nothing to do with how i see myself and it doesn't give me any sort of "validation". i just plain don't like it. that's it.

The fact that you think women should be most concerned about how appealing they might look indicates that you are pretty fucking sexist.

Seriously.

i don't enjoy seeing women and/or men

wait. what?

Well, I don't really think anyone should slink into a Herve Leger dress because they're hideous and most of them look like ugly slips to me, but...

Seriously though, you're saying that fat people shouldn't wear tight clothing. I'm saying that's bullshit. Saying it like it's a law is, well, stupid, especially since many fat women look completely amazing in form-fitting clothing. This isn't to say that some people don't dress in a way that is unflattering, or silly, but that applies to thin people just as much as fat people - and yet I have yet to see anyone start shit about skinny girls who wear transparent leggings as pants around these parts, just fat people who ~dare to wear clothes that fit them well or reveal more skin than whoever-it-is thinks they should be allowed to.

You know, good for you, what-the-fuck-ever. But the fact remains that you are here judging fat people as a group and trying to dictate what they can and can't wear, making sure to remind fat people that the only people who could ever possibly be attracted to them are fetishizers and that no one could genuinely just be sexually attracted to a fat person, etc... not only is it bullshit, but it's bigoted, fatphobic bullshit, and you should change your point of view to be less, well, fatphobic.

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