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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-12-05 07:52 pm

[ SECRET POST #1798 ]

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(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Surprise!

Fat people a) know they're fat and b) can be totally beautiful. I know you probably think that's fucking impossible, but guess what? It's possible! Actually, quite likely.

Secondly, guess what else? Not everyone feels the exact same about beauty and hotness as you do! Not everyone thinks fat people look gross or should never expose their skin or should be disallowed from wearing belly shirts or something. Just because you think it's ugly doesn't mean everyone else does, or has to. Just because you don't think someone is hot doesn't mean they don't, or someone else doesn't, or that they shouldn't be allowed to feel that way.

You're a major-league douchebag, and just for that I'm gonna find the tightest, hottest clothes I own to wear tomorrow-- and I, a fat chick whom you would likely find absolutely repulsive due to that fact, am going to fucking rock it.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
nah, you won't rock it. you just won't realize how icky you look, which is very sad. just be aware that the catcalls are probably not meant the way you want to take them.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
lmao. I love how you say this knowing full fucking well you know nothing about me or what I look like except that I'm a fat woman.

For the record? I don't give a flying fuck what anybody thinks of the way I look except my own damn self and my girlfriend. Shockingly, her telling me I'm fucking gorgeous carries a whole lot more weight than some pathetic, insecure anon telling me I'm "icky."

Why don't you work on your own self-esteem, anon? Maybe then you won't feel like you have to pick on and insult other people's appearance in order to feel better about yourself. <3

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I just want you to know you fucking rock and all the trolls here are obviously very unhappy with their lives. So don't let any of the bullshit they're saying get to you.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you, anon! I am definitely not letting these arsehole, insecure trolls get under my skin. The only person that matters thinks I'm gorgeous, and that matters to me a hell of a lot more than what some anons who have never met me might think or say. :)

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
incorrect. You're just going to gross people out. But hey, since you apparently love glorifying the fact that you'll die younger than most, you might as well get as much mileage as you can out of it.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
lawl. Anon you're hilarious.

But seriously, like I told the other anon, go get yourself some help and some self-esteem. Maybe if you loved yourself more, you wouldn't feel the need to hate and pick on other people's appearances to make yourself feel better! Wouldn't that be nice?

I mean, it must take a lot of effort to be hateful and grossed out every single time you see a fat person.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
only the ones who try to pretend it's something to be proud of. You are few and far between, so it's really not that much of a bother.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone's body is something to be proud of. That you can't see that is a sign of your own insecurity, body issues and disgustingness as a human being.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Anon

Go see a therapist about your body-image issues, seriously.

Taking out your own self-hatred and disgust on other people is not a good way of coping with how much you can't stand the sight of your own body.

I don't even mean this in a snarky way. I'm speaking from experience.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
okay, weeping into my diet books forever now, lol, because obsessing over self image is obviously the only anyone would ever judge someone for being overweight.

it's a trolly thread on the internets, I'm not taking my anythings out on anybody, calm down. as someone else said above, people are allowed to have opinions.

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
IKR

It is beyond obvious anon has a lot of insecurity issues with regard to their body

A shame really. They might think becoming thin will make people actually want to be around them, but no, what makes everyone dislike them is their shitty attitude.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, seriously.

Exactly. Their thinness won't matter when they're driving everyone away with their hatred and their ignorance.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
welp, have fun appealing to creepy weirdos who fetishize fatness and weight gain then. because yes i realize some people find fatties hot but it's a SERIOUSLY small subset of society, and like i said, it's basically a fetish. do you not find that bizarre?

lol ok enjoy yourself. i'll be over here, wearing clothes that fit and are appropriate for my body type and looking classy.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
lol same anon

you couldn't be more obvious if you tried

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
(ayrt) LOL actually no. because we both type with no caps? great detective skills.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
take a deep breath and turn your attention to your inner self

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I won't be catering to those people or anyone else, but I'll be sure to check in and let you know if my girlfriend thinks I'm hot. :)

And I don't find the fetishization of fat women "bizarre," because our sociocultural bias against fat women in particular (as opposed to fat men) reinforces the view that fat women cannot be sexually attractive, and thus those who would otherwise be attracted to fat women are shamed, implicitly and explicitly, for that attraction in many cases even before they would realize they had it and directed to more normatively valued attraction, i.e. thin women.

I wonder when I implied that I would not be wearing clothes that fit me. Clothing can be tight without being ill-fittingly so, anon.

But please be more obviously insecure about your body, it amuses me.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
well if she's your girlfriend i assume she does think you're hot, or else there would be a problem.

tight fitting clothes + excess fat is not the greatest combination. and i'm glad to see that while you called out someone upthread for making assumptions about you, you freely make them about me. i feel like i have a very good understanding of what my body is and how it looks. it's not perfect, but it's getting there, and until then i'm dressing it how it should be dressed instead of going the sausage-casing route.

ps, also, not a troll. i'm just completely uncensoring myself which is something i don't do very often. fact: people DO have unpopular opinions.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
fact: people DO have unpopular opinions.

Quoting for truth. And hey, if you think that automatically makes us terrible, ugly, friendless people of no worth? Pot, kettle, etc.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
You know something? Criticizing or laughing at women for flaunting their bodies when they don't fit the ideal body shape and saying they need to put on some clothes and hide their cellulite is a really shitty thing to do. Not only is it hurtful and judgemental, it's also pretty fucking misogynist, because you're suggesting women should be ashamed of their bodies if they don't fit the patriarchal ideal. That's shitty and wrong, and you are a shitty and horrible person if you do it. It's not at all hypocritical to suggest that.

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(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
No kidding.

lol. You know, seriously, I'm kind of laughing here because for years I was taught and told what you just said, that fat people shouldn't wear tight clothing. My mother verbally and emotionally abused me for years because I was fat, and constantly bought me clothing that was two or even three sizes too large because it would "make me look smaller" and "fitted clothes will make you look fatter!" When I was old enough to make my own clothing decisions and secure enough in my body to try, I bought fitted and, yes, even tight clothing and discovered, to my surprise, that not only were they more comfortable, but I looked fucking amazing in them. My self-esteem skyrocketed. So your telling me that fat and tight clothes don't go together just really makes me think back to that and smile, because I know now that I don't have to listen to what bigoted jerks tell me about how to dress.

It's a valid assumption. Those who pick on others for their body and/or appearance are, more often than not, insecure about their own bodies and appearances. No one would pick on anyone else if they didn't feel they got some benefit out of it - a sense of superiority, a feeling of validation in themselves, or an alleviation of insecurities, for example. People who are truly secure in who they are don't judge and hate like this.

People do have unpopular opinions. However, when those opinions verge into the realm of bigotry (and anti-fat/fatphobia is a form of bigotry), they should look to correcting their "opinions" and being respectful to people as human beings, not continuing to hate on them.

P.S. I'm not telling you the above story because I'm looking for validation, or anything like that. More to demonstrate the real and harmful effects of fatphobia in a minor way, and to relate why, exactly, I find your comment so damn funny.
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(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

(Anonymous) 2011-12-06 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
ok well i think maybe we're taking each other's comments on how clothing fits to the extreme. i'm not saying fat people should wear fucking tents everywhere because yeah that looks terrible. i'm also not saying they can slink into a herve leger and look good. there IS an in between, and some people (getting back to the main point here, COSPLAYERS) fail to recognize this.

i'm pretty sure my opinion isn't going to be corrected any time soon. i do not find fat people appealing or attractive, period. i definitely don't laugh in their faces or even snicker behind their backs but i don't enjoy seeing women and/or men walking around with their guts hanging out of their shirts. it has nothing to do with how i see myself and it doesn't give me any sort of "validation". i just plain don't like it. that's it.

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[identity profile] kryptoncat.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Preach! Please preach and let the masses come to your sermons. Most of the replies in this thread are really ticking me off, so replies like yours are just the hallelujah I need. I'm not big, so I can't really imagine what it's like to put up with this type of immaturity and hurtfulness from other people; but I think you're awesome for the stance you're taking and I wish to apply this wisdom to my life. +1, rock on.

(frozen comment) Re: secondhand embarrassment like whoa

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Oh wow, thank you! :) The responses here are just, wow. I'm not taking it personally, but it does miff me a little. I'm just looking at it as getting my need to argue on the internet out before the two-week vacation I've got that starts tomorrow :P I'm really glad I could help even one person with my words, though, and thank you again for your comment!