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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-12-26 07:37 pm

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-27 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think liking her makes you a bad feminist.

She's a character with an addiction, it's just that her addiction is another human being, and that human being happens to be a man. In her case, her relationship is 100% unhealthy, but overall I'm not keen on this trend of people thinking any female character who aspires to be in a romantic relationship with a man is anti-feminist.

Yes, some women will literally latch on to any man who will marry them, regardless of attraction, shared interests and ideals or anything to build a fundamental relationship on, and these women will act as if they've accomplished the ultimate goal and that they've 'beaten' or 'won' against their unmarried friends. Depressingly, I've known several women who think like this and are now, several years later, suffering because they wanted a wedding but not a marriage. It's crushing to see people I care about rushing to achieve their dream, only to realise that they've put all their eggs in the wrong basket, just for the sake of saying they have a basket (okay, stretching this metaphor thin here, sorry) and that applies whether their goal is marriage or a certain career or anything else.

But these women are the exception, and it doesn't mean every woman who wants to fall in love is somehow a bad feminist. At the end of the day, it's about making choices, and even the women who marry to get the ring on their finger rather than because they feel they've found the man they want to spend the rest of their lives with are making a choice. If a woman wants to get married, that's her choice, and doing so doesn't make her anti-women or anti-feminist.

The only issue where I can see people equating you liking Harley with being a bad feminist is if you don't see that her relationship with the Joker is unhealthy. If you romanticise it or aspire to it, I mean. The Joker abuses Harley physically and emotionally, uses her whenever it's convenient, has completely destroyed her life, and has literally tried to kill her on more than one occasion. If you romanticise that kind of relationship then, yes, you're promoting some very anti-feminist ideals and also probably suffering from a lot of other issues.

But if you enjoy Harley as a character, enjoy her story and her personality for what it is, then doesn't instantly make you a bad feminist at all.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-27 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
This

[identity profile] duae.livejournal.com 2011-12-27 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
I would like to add in that the majority of Batman villains have addictions just as bad or worse than Harley, and her inability to overcome them is not a unique or even female-only thing.

If liking Harley makes someone a bad feminist then liking Two-Face makes one a bad non-felon.

[identity profile] p-drunkwriting.livejournal.com 2011-12-27 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty much. You can like anything with fucked up traits as long as you recognize that it's fucked up (and hopefully why). Liking problematic stuff doesn't make you a bad feminist at all.