[ SECRET POST #1837 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1837 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [broken link]


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[Robin Of Sherwood/Michael Praed]


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[Glee]


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[We Got Married - Ga In (Brown Eyed Girls)/Jo Kwon (2AM)]


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[Buzz Lightyear of Star Command]


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09. http://i.imgur.com/8DbqS.png
[linked for nudity/kind of porny]


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[Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli]


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[Beast Wars, Megatron]


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[Magic Mike]


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[Harry Potter & Little House on the Prairie]


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[X-Men: First Class]


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[Death Note]


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25. [SPOILERS for something, OP did not specify]



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26. [SPOILERS for Vampire Hunter D]



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27. [SPOILERS for Christmas Doctor Who and New Year's Sherlock]



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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[SPOILERS for Loveless]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, animal cruelty]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #262.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[miezen.livejournal.com]

"Now, I have a question for you: you are obviously a Germanophile (like I am an Anglophile) and you are aware of people dismissing Soviet crimes and putting emphasis on Nazi ones. Why do you think it's this way? I think it's related to the symbolic place Germany has in the European matrix but I'm curious on your take as you have obviously put a lot of thought on this."

...Why are you bringing my love for Germany into this? As an attempt to discredit me? Because if so, kindly back off. As for your question, the answer is simple. People love having one convenient scapegoat. That's what Germany has become more or less. Now, when I say "scapegoat", I do not mean in the sense of someone innocent taking the blame for something. What I mean is that Germany more or less gets all the blame for all of the WWII atrocities committed. Sure, some people still are bitter about Japan and Pearl Harbor, but that for the most part is people who were actually alive during WWII and remember that. The anti-German sentiment still floating around today that's even affected people who weren't even born yet is a different animal entirely. People are more or less taught that the most horrible things to happen in that time period were all done by Germany. Also why Soviet war crimes are ignored is easy; they were on the winning side of the war. Between that and how long this shit was covered up, people only bother to focus on the Holocaust.

Also slightly offtopic, but this whole thing sickens me for other reasons, too. Germany has formally apologized for what's happened, and they've gone to great lengths to ensure that someone like Adolf Hitler can never rise to power in their nation again. Meanwhile, Japan and Russia still have not formally apologized. Russia even still claims that they were in the right for the atrocities committed against East Germany because of WWII, IIRC, which is utterly sickening because no, raping women of just about any age until they beg you to kill them is not justified at all ever. And yet it's Germany that has people to this day believing that the entire nation is a nation of evil monsters. Despite how they've actually apologized and made great efforts to prevent this shit from happening again, while the others pretend it never happened.

No country should be vilified like this, but it pisses me off that the one who's done the most to apologize is the one that everyone else continues to vilify.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

What I mean is that Germany more or less gets all the blame for all of the WWII atrocities committed. Sure, some people still are bitter about Japan and Pearl Harbor, but that for the most part is people who were actually alive during WWII and remember that.

Depends on which part of the world you live in. Japan committed way more atrocities than just Pearl Harbor, which to this day they try to erase from their history books (or justify them when erasure isn't an option). Those acts just weren't committed against Westerners for the most part, so nobody on this side of the Pacific cares much. The Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, etc. that they systematically killed, raped, and exploited the hell out of still do. Especially Korea.

For more info, look up "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."

[miezen.livejournal.com]

Oh, no, I'm well aware that Japan did way more than Pearl Harbor. The acts of Unit 731 is what I was primarily referring to re; Japan not apologizing for its WWII war crimes up there. All I mean by mentioning it specifically here is that it's the only reason Westerners tend to care, and even then the Westerners who do care usually lived in America during Pearl Harbor, and/or fought against Japan in WWII. In the West, "Japan was part of WWII let's dwell on Japanese WWII war crimes" isn't really a mentality that floats around all that much like the same with Germany is.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

In the West, "Japan was part of WWII let's dwell on Japanese WWII war crimes" isn't really a mentality that floats around all that much like the same with Germany is.

Yeah. And I think a lot of that is because Japan's war crimes weren't really against the West. But Japan's war crimes are treated in much the same way in East Asian politics the same way the Holocaust is treated in the West. So the "nobody cares what Japan did except Pearl Harbor" is only really true on this side of the Pacific.

[miezen.livejournal.com]

This is true. I more meant "no one in the English speaking world cares about what Japan did", but I should've specified. I apologize.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

This is interesting. So, in Asia, Japan's crimes are the equivalent to the Nazi crimes?

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Pretty much, among the nations that Japan invaded or tried to invade. Especially Korea and China. Unlike Germany, though, Japan has yet to officially acknowledge their actions, nevermind say they're sorry.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

That's really interesting. We pay more attention to the Western front due to time constrictons and the direct impact it had on our societies, so I wasn't aware of how Japan is regarded. Thank you for explaining.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I did the research into it myself after my textbooks in high school only vaguely referenced things like the Nanking Massacre and Unit 731. The things Japan did to both its own people and POWs are just as horrifying as anything Mengele was behind. They just weren't on quite the same scale as the Final Solution.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I read about it online. High-school only covers so much and in uni we focused on historiographic discussions because the facts can be find in any book. Also, my country has an Euro-centric focus when it comes to history, so Japan is only relevant in that context, I'm sorry to say.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

..Why are you bringing my love for Germany into this? As an attempt to discredit me? Because if so, kindly back off.

I have no reason to discredit you. As far as I'm concerned, we are having an interesting talk about how history is perceived. I bring your love for Germany because I presume that you had given this topic (and German history in general) a lot more thought than someone who doesn't care for Germany. Just like I've think of England and her history a lot more than people who don't care for English history.

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<i>..Why are you bringing my love for Germany into this? As an attempt to discredit me? Because if so, kindly back off.</i>

I have no reason to discredit you. As far as I'm concerned, we are having an interesting talk about how history is perceived. I bring your love for Germany because I presume that you had given this topic (and German history in general) a lot more thought than someone who doesn't care for Germany. Just like I've think of England and her history a lot more than people who don't care for English history.

<i<People love having one convenient scapegoat. That's what Germany has become more or less. Now, when I say "scapegoat", I do not mean in the sense of someone innocent taking the blame for something. What I mean is that Germany more or less gets all the blame for all of the WWII atrocities committed. Sure, some people still are bitter about Japan and Pearl Harbor, but that for the most part is people who were actually alive during WWII and remember that. The anti-German sentiment still floating around today that's even affected people who weren't even born yet is a different animal entirely. People are more or less taught that the most horrible things to happen in that time period were all done by Germany. Also why Soviet war crimes are ignored is easy; they were on the winning side of the war. Between that and how long this shit was covered up, people only bother to focus on the Holocaust.</i>

Interesting. But do you think there's an intentional effort on making Germany the culprit? Or is tied to other factors, like the ones I've mentioned before? I still think it's realted to the role Germany has in our identity as a civilisation of sorts.

The anti-German feeling... well, that's an alien concept for me. I mean, I know intellectually that it exists (I'm thinking of Eddi Izzard's sketch on the European Union, for example) but the German community here is important and, while many of them were disgusting Nazis, they are regarded not very differently than any other community in my country.

<i>Also slightly offtopic, but this whole thing sickens me for other reasons, too. Germany has formally apologized for what's happened, and they've gone to great lengths to ensure that someone like Adolf Hitler can never rise to power in their nation again.</i>

True. But resent dies slowly. And sometimes people just can't forget. The Church (disclaimer: I am not religious or even a Christian) has apologised for her vast crimes but people still hold it against her.

I don't think many people think that modern Germany is a Nazi state. But the stuff that happened there? It's hard to forget, even if apologies are given.


<i>Meanwhile, Japan and Russia still have not formally apologized. Russia even still claims that they were in the right for the atrocities committed against East Germany because of WWII, IIRC, which is utterly sickening because no, raping women of just about any age until they beg you to kill them is not justified at all ever.</i>

True. Japan and Russia are hardly examples of being sensitive or just respectful. Well, Russia for sure, if the law against "gay propaganda" (and I can't put enough inverted commas there) is an indication.

<i>And yet it's Germany that has people to this day believing that the entire nation is a nation of evil monsters. Despite how they've actually apologized and made great efforts to prevent this shit from happening again, while the others pretend it never happened.

No country should be vilified like this, but it pisses me off that the one who's done the most to apologize is the one that everyone else continues to vilify.</i>

And I continue to wonder why. Considering the extent of the anti-communist campaigns in the US and its influence in the world's media I wonder why there's no more widespread rejection towards the Soviet Union. It maybe that communism is not an inherently evil ideology? Or that there's a (fair) school of criticism focused on the US' Cold War actions? In theory, making the Soviets' crimes known would have been easy, so why not?

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

Well, shit, there goes my html

[miezen.livejournal.com]

Okay, good. Usually people try to use "but you love Germany! You want to move there!" as an attempt to shut me down in these sorts of conversations, often even to try to claim I'm a Nazi sympathizer. Which is bullshit, I hate what the Nazis did quite possibly more than your average American, since they hurt the country I love enough to plan on leaving my homeland for probably more than anyone else ever has. A ton of the people who died in concentration camps were Germans, after all, and now there's this ridiculous stigma against a nationality. I hate them plenty, and nothing is quite as insulting to me as being called a Nazi sympathizer. So forgive me for getting defensive there, but it's happened to me quite a bit.

"Interesting. But do you think there's an intentional effort on making Germany the culprit? Or is tied to other factors, like the ones I've mentioned before? I still think it's realted to the role Germany has in our identity as a civilisation of sorts. "

What I'm saying here is that I think this is why Germany has that "identity". It's easier to dump all of the blame onto one entity than to logically look at all of the evils committed all across the board. And again, the Soviet Union escapes it because they were on the winning side and the winners always get to write history. Japan probably escapes it with younger generations because they make cool electronics and video games and anime, sickeningly enough. Along with the fact that their worst crimes were committed against other Asian nations so lol who cares, no white people got hurt in that stuff.

"True. But resent dies slowly. And sometimes people just can't forget. The Church (disclaimer: I am not religious or even a Christian) has apologised for her vast crimes but people still hold it against her. "

This is completely different. The main reason why the Church still gets things like the Crusades brought up against it is because of people who hate the religion itself for unrelated reasons using things like the Crusades to try to claim that it was never a good thing. It's not so much about the Crusades as it is about the Crusades being used as fodder for anti-religious arguments.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

This is completely different. The main reason why the Church still gets things like the Crusades brought up against it is because of people who hate the religion itself for unrelated reasons using things like the Crusades to try to claim that it was never a good thing. It's not so much about the Crusades as it is about the Crusades being used as fodder for anti-religious arguments.

This is only my experience, but I see the Crusades brought up mostly when Christians try to claim their religion has always been about love and forgiveness and goodwill to everyone. And I think it keeps getting brought up, especially in recent times, because the loudest and most vocal Christians are espousing the same hatred and prejudice that led to the Crusades in the first place. And they're getting elected to public office and positions of power for it (or at least they are in the U.S.).

Yeah, I've seen the Crusades brought up Just Because by the type of asshole atheist that I wish I could smack with a squeaky hammer, but I've seen them brought up with much more frequency to challenge the idea that Christians have always been the innocent rebels getting eaten by lions for sport.

[miezen.livejournal.com]

I've seen that, too, and in that case it is a valid argument. Personally, though, I more frequently see it brought up as a way to claim organized religion is inherently bad and always has been.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

We likely hang around in different circles, then. The circles I run in are...special, in that they're fraught with Christians crying "poor me!" every time someone suggests that their right to worship as they please stops the minute it tries to rob someone else of agency and personal autonomy.

The organized-religion-is-inherently-bad argument is a pretty stupid one, though. Or at least all the versions I've heard of it. Religion itself isn't evil, but the way religious leaders tend to abuse their power and the way followers are manipulated into letting it go unquestioned is a recipe for disaster. But I'm not gonna lie, some religions have doctrine and ideology that makes such a recipe disturbingly easy to follow.

[miezen.livejournal.com]

Oh ew. I really hate that sort of thing. Luckily I don't have any direct exposure to it, myself. I get the atheists who think that all religious people are delusional crazies for having their faith. Ugh.


Just. Seriously. There's nothing inherently wrong with Christianity. What's wrong is what some religious leaders have chosen to do with it.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

*facepalm* Yeah no. You can't be "delusional" for believing in something that nobody can prove isn't true. Every time an atheist calls someone delusional, I want to beat them with a dictionary.

Wow, this icon is hilariously appropriate.

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

What.

Yes you can. Look I can see problems with the type of atheist you're referring too, but that argument you're espousing is some real basic shit, and trivially dismiss-able.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Ok, I worded that badly. More like simply having faith in something that can't be proven one way or the other doesn't automatically make a person delusional (especially not in the "religion is a symptom of a mental illness" way that many of the atheists insist on).

[miezen.livejournal.com]

Yeah, this. Yeah, no one can prove that God exists. But well. You can't prove God doesn't exist either.

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

This is why I'm a militant agnostic. I don't know, and you don't, either.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I feel there must be deeper reasons than hating on Germans.

This is completely different. The main reason why the Church still gets things like the Crusades brought up against it is because of people who hate the religion itself for unrelated reasons using things like the Crusades to try to claim that it was never a good thing. It's not so much about the Crusades as it is about the Crusades being used as fodder for anti-religious arguments.

I disagree. Unless where I live (and I know religion is a different matter than in the US) people who bring up the Crusades (and the Inquisition, and misogyny, homophobia, anti-Semitism, etc) is because it shows that the Church is just another human institution that messes up just as everyone else and have their hands dirty with blood, too.

[miezen.livejournal.com]

"I feel there must be deeper reasons than hating on Germans."

....Pretty sure I gave more reasons than that.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

You said that it's easier to "dump all of the blame onto one entity than to logically look at all of the evils committed all across the board". But that doesn't explain why. The Soviet Union was a big bad (if not the big bag) in media for decades so one would expect a better knowledge of its crimes, but that's not the case.