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[ SECRET POST #1843 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1843 ⌋

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Well Sherlock is asexual, so...

Being asexual hardly means you can't be in a romantic relationship. :|

I mean. Unless I'm sorely mistaken. Just let me ask my girlfriend...

Absolutely this.

Also, maybe I'm mad, but as far as I'm concerned Sherlock's asexuality is not a foregone conclusion, but that's a whole other barrel of fish.

It's not. I prefer to think of him as asexual -- I am too, of course I do. But it isn't a sure thing in the show.

So, so mad at people who think that if he is asexual it means he can't be in a relationship, though. UGH.

Yeah, have we heard Sherlock, himself, say he's asexual?? Hell, even his being a virgin was stated by other people, one of whom was getting him back for calling him a "queen", and the other of whom really has no basis to know (what, has Jim followed Sherlock around every day since he hit puberty?).

...knowing Moriarty, maybe?

I have fic idea like this. Well Jim and Sherlock met in rehab as teens under different names, became friends, then lovers. Then Sherlock betrayed Jim. But I left fandom in a big flouncey huff so no ficcing for me.

Ooh, cool idea. I'd be curious to see how you worked in the Carl Powers story.

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finmagik.livejournal.com - 2012-01-20 04:42 (UTC) - Expand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ev2_OfQh0&feature=related

A Study in Pink, unaired pilot, starting at O7:16 with the date scene.
The dialogs are a bit different but Sherlock implies that he's asexual.

Yes, I've seen the pilot. It's not canon.
Also, Sherlock talks about not eating during cases, and indeed, that held true all last season. However, this season, we have seen him eating during cases--of his own accord, even, not just because John asks. So he's getting used to the idea of his body being as important as his mind.

If he did say it, would we believe him?

Fair enough, but I do have a friend who can't even be in a romantic relationship. I don't have a problem with people shipping John/Sherlock, but I would be annoyed if they made it canon. It is possible for two men to love each other without there being any romantic feelings.

You have a friend who can't be in a romantic relationship... okay? I have a friend who shouldn't be in romantic relationships. I don't see how that means a damn thing.

It is possible for two men to love each other without there being any romantic feelings.

NO FUCKING KIDDING. Look at EVERY SHOW OUT THERE EVER. Having ONE SHOW depict two men who are friends and become a couple doesn't mean SHIT compared to the huge number of shows that have two main male characters who are just friends. It doesn't.

I am so fucking fed up with people saying how it's such a ~shame we want them to be gay because THEY CAN JUST BE FRIENDS GUYS OMG WHY CAN'T TWO MEN JUST BE FRIENDS.

Newsflash: THEY CAN. And the fact that they can has been thoroughly demonstrated in EVERY other movie, EVERY other show, EVERY other book. Jesus fucking christ, WAKE UP.

Dang. Hear, hear.

It's hilarious that you actually have to point this out to the people in here
Did they get their TVs from a bizarro world full of gay lead characters in relationships? If it's like that then hey, I'm willing to trade for the shitty bromances I see everywhere I look because frankly I've had it with them.

I know, right? Like I said below, if any of these people want to point out these shows with male leads hooking up left and right, they sound like the kind of show I'd like to watch!

These people are really pretty obviously homophobic, though. I mean, come the fuck on -- if you can't even stop for a bloody second and realize that fandoms do not equal the shows they're derivative of and that 99.99999999% of shows feature straight male leads who are friends with other straight men and who certainly are not in relationships with other men... you've gotta either be homophobic or completely delusional.

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lithrael - 2012-01-20 17:42 (UTC) - Expand

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goobbledigook.livejournal.com - 2012-01-20 22:44 (UTC) - Expand

Oooh. Temper, temper.
Two men ARE allowed to love each other without it being romantic. Whether you like it or not, oh Queen of the Hissy Fits :P

GASP! NO! I HAD NO IDEA! OH MY GOD

THAT'S TOTALLY NOT WHAT MY WHOLE COMMENT WAS ABOUT

HOW MEN ARE CONSTANTLY SHOWN LOVING EACH OTHER IN A BFF WAY RATHER THAN A ROMANTIC WAY BUT NEVER THE REVERSE

I AM STUNNED. YOU HAVE STUNNED ME.

OH MY GOD THIS IS A REVELATION I NEED TO SIT DOWN.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-01-21 10:24 (UTC) - Expand

But John is definitely not asexual. So unless this is an open relationship and John has sex on the side or it's poly and John has a girlfriend, John becomes a celibate martyr. And honestly, I don't want to see an asexual Sherlock/sexual John relationship in that (or any other Holmes) series. And I definitely don't want the series to get into poly politics.

I don't see Sherlock as asexual, anyway, so much as celibate because he doesn't care people or sex enough to not be, but that's a different issue.

I agree with you - and if I'm honest, Sherlock as celibate makes more sense to the character than being asexual does, imo. And I can go either way. If he breaks that celibacy for John it would be really.. interesting, and touching. (On the other hand, I have an ongoing RP universe wherein Sherlock is asexual but will "go there" for John because he cares about him and because there are things about it that he appreciates, if not the act itself. *shrug*)

I actually like that idea, though I fear it kind of makes John looks selfish. "I know you don't wanna do this, but I really want to!"

OTOH, John willingly does a shitton of stuff for Sherlock whether he really wants to or not, so it's not like it'd be a one-way street.

There is a lot of compromises in a relationship with someone who is asexual. Having the sexual party to be celibate isn't the only solution. It depends on the comfort level of the asexual party. Some will see being sexual with their sexual partner as relative no biggie because they want to give their partner pleasure even though they won't experience that pleasure through sexual intimacy. Hell some would even get off because they are giving someone that kind of pleasure. Some can not stand sex in any instance even if they are hetero/homo/pan/bi-romantic, and some in between. Asexuality isn't one solid group, it has different subcategories.

Yeah, I pretty much came here to say this. My girlfriend actually has more of a sex drive than I do and she identifies as asexual. Personally, when I saw people using the word "demisexual" around here I thought that fit her better, but since people get all up in arms over that...

I worry more for the sexual partner in that type of situation. Having sex with someone that doesn't enjoy it, someone who doesn't really want you that way? What a nightmare.

I gotta say - it's no fun. I stopped asking.

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