[ SECRET POST #1843 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1843 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 50 secrets from Secret Submission Post #263.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, calm down. It's perfectly okay for men to be more than friends.

I'm not saying you can't be in a relationship with your best friend. I'm saying that in the case of these particular characters, I don't think their love has to be romantic to be powerful. If they turned them into a couple I feel it would take away the point of their relationship. Again, I'm thinking more along the lines of Frodo and Sam than just any fictional male BFFs. I'm sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. It's late and I'm tired.

[(Anonymous)]

BTW I've shipped slash pairings before and completely agree there should be more gay relationships on television. I just don't think John and Sherlock are the right characters to do that with.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

If they turned them into a couple I feel it would take away the point of their relationship.

Please explain how and why.

[(Anonymous)]

First off, I don't think Sherlock should be in a romantic relationship with anyone, man or woman. Like the Doctor, I don't believe he's capable of it. He's married to his job.

He and John obviously love and depend on each other, more than anyone else, but to me they're relationship is like that of two brothers. If they were a couple it would be a different dynamic and imo out of character for Sherlock.

If you see them as a couple then great, but I think it's better left as something to interpret than made canon and that doesn't make me homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

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[curseangel.livejournal.com]

Your comment said, literally, that hooking them up would imply that men can't be "just friends," ergo you believe that having a SINGLE canon gay pairing in one single show would imply to the world that no men can ever be just friends. That's ridiculously homophobic and, you know, really fucking stupid.

You said that making their relationship canon would "take away" from their friendship. I said, I got in a relationship with my best friend, does that mean it "took away" from our friendship? What, exactly, does a romantic relationship "take away" from a friendship?

And what is the "point" of their relationship that would be taken away if they became a couple? Please tell me, I'm dying to know.

You haven't explained anything. All you've done is make yourself look like a homophobe who doesn't like the idea of two men hooking up on your television.

[(Anonymous)]

I am not a homophobe, and I really don't appreciate you insulting me like that. You know nothing about me. I have trouble putting my thoughts into words, so I'm sorry if I'm not answering your question.

I admit that post was poorly worded. What I meant was that some people seem to view any affection or special bond between best friends, (whether it's two men, two women or a man and a woman), as some sort of proof that they secretly want to sleep with each other, and there can be no other explanation. The reason I referred primarily to the two men scenario is because from my experience it's more common than the two women scenario. As another example, I feel the same way about Harry and Hermione. Their friendship is one of my favourite things about Harry Potter, and I wouldn't want that to be changed. Of course friends can develop feelings for each other but that isn't always the case. I guess it's not so much the idea itself that bothers me as the people who shove it down your throat that these two characters are DEFINITELY in love with each other and if you feel differently you're an idiot or a homophobe.

To me putting Sherlock in a romantic relationship with John is like putting The Doctor in a romantic relationship with one of his companions. I just don't agree with it.

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

I guess it's not so much the idea itself that bothers me as the people who shove it down your throat that these two characters are DEFINITELY in love with each other and if you feel differently you're an idiot or a homophobe.

As I said in a thread above, people who do this are rude. The problem was that your original comment was also very rude, as it implied people who ship friendships are Doing It Wrong, and even that we don't understand friendship. Fighting fire with fire doesn't normally work :)

In the end, it comes down to a matter of interpretation/taste. Some people see S/J as a friendship; others see it as a friendship which has the potential to turn into romance (and they would like that). Neither side is WRONG, it's just a different read on the relationship. Hell, same with Doctor/companion -- you might not like it, but other people DO like Doctor/Companion ships (and in the case of Eleven/River, and Rose/Ten, they have a lot of canon support, honestly).

And of course, different interpretations of relationships is hardly something that just comes up in friend-based ships. People read canon relationships differently all the time and can end up calling people all sorts of nasty things over it (being a Spuffy shipper is TONS of fun, let me tell you).

It's normally better not to attack people or draw broad inferences about their general understand of relationships (whether that be calling them homophobic or saying their ship implies men aren't capable of deep platonic relationships) based on a single ship they do or don't like.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry if it came across as rude as that wasn't my intention. My post wasn't directed at people who ship Sherlock/John or friendships in general. I completely understand why people enjoy these ships and respect their opinions.

My only issue is with people who perceive my opinion and the opinion of the writers as being wrong and somehow homophobic because we believe it's better left as something to interpret rather than made canon. I really hope I'm making sense here. =/

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you do.

I think the problem here is that a lot of friendship shippers (esp. slash shippers) have been told they're doing it wrong for exactly the reason you stated in your original post, so there was a lot of baggage brought to the responses on both sides :/

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I wasn't aware. I'm sorry.

I've probably been reading too many crazy posts on tumblr, heh.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

better left as something to interpret rather than made canon

Yeah... how often does that happen with straight couples, though? Especially ones that are teased and joked about being a couple as much as John and Sherlock are?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree it doesn't happen as often, but it's happened several times with characters I've shipped, including the teasing.

Hoggle made a point below about how there aren't actually that many honest-to-god deep platonic relationships on television. That's what I was trying to get at with the "romance would take away what Sherlock/John have" thing, but I obviously fucked that up. lol

[fenm.livejournal.com]

there aren't actually that many honest-to-god deep platonic relationships on television

But... there are. They're all over the place. Star Trek, House, Boston Legal, Community Avatar: The Last Airbender...

Seriously, I don't know whee the hell this, "There are no male friends that aren't also a couple" thing is coming from.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not just a matter of 'male friends' though. Abed and Troy, for instance, aren't on the same level as Sherlock and John. And House/Wilson is based off SH, so I don't think it really counts. Not sure who you're referring to with the Avatar mention, and I haven't seen Boston Legal. Star Trek I agree with.

[luxshine.livejournal.com]

I'd like to know what straight couple that is teased with becoming a couple hasn't become a couple, please. I've been wracking my brain about that and came up empty...

[(Anonymous)]

Jeff and Annie on Community
House and Cameron
Harry and Hermione
Phoebe and Joey on Friends
The Doctor and Amy Pond, maybe?

Not saying I ship all of these, but they could certainly be interpreted that way.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you were being rude at all. I had no difficulty understanding what you were trying to say, either. Some people need to work on their reading comprehension, and stop being so overly sensitive.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, insulting someone like that based on how you interpreted their comment is really fucking stupid. I know several gay men who don't want Sherlock/John to be canon. Are they homophobic too?