[ SECERT POST #1846 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1846 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

04. http://oi42.tinypic.com/33pfpth.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much Bruce in every continuity ever. He's a dick. It's his default.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was just me who hated his guts. He's such a judgmental asshole. It comes with the territory of being a vigilante but still.....

[(Anonymous)]

NA

No, it's not just you. I've thought he was a dick ever since I was first exposed to him through some animated batman program I saw as a child. It was missing context (I hadn't seen the full episode) but he'd just killed some kid's parents or something, and was basically telling him to deal with it 'cause it's not that bad. All I could think was, "This guy's the hero?!" When I later learned that his whole angsty spiel was centered around his own parents' murders, I was even less sympathetic.

Guy's a douche.

[mika-kun.livejournal.com]

I agree that Bruce is a dick a lot of the time, but I'm going to mention that the whole situation with Jason is an emotional minefield for everyone involved. Yeah, you can make a hierarchy of whose got it worse, but at the end of the day even the least fucked up person involved is really badly fucked up about it and hurting. People say and do stupid dick-ish things when they're hurting that bad.

Also, how Bruce feels about killing isn't exactly *NOT* relevant when Jason is trying to get *Bruce* to kill the Joker and not just let Jason do it.

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

+1

Basically. And even then, Bruce had to try to make Jason understand somehow. That's hard as hell and it comes out dickish, but IMO, he was trying to get Jason to understand that it's not that he hasn't ever considered killing the Joker, that he didn't want to kill him for killing Jason -- he did, and he DOES want to do these things. Killing his enemies would be easy. Killing the Joker to avenge Jason would have been super easy and satisfying. But that's why he knows he can't ever do it.

Jason felt betrayed that Bruce never killed the Joker for taking him away from him, and that he wouldn't even do it now. That he couldn't convince him to. Bruce needed to let him know that it wasn't a flippant decision -- it's a difficult decision he makes all the time, but one that is incredibly important.

But there's no easy, non-jerkish way to tell your murdered son that it's personally important to you that you DON'T kill his murderer, and that it's an incredibly difficult decision to have had to make, and continue to make. I don't like Batman all that much, and I think he's a dick most of the time, and there are certain things I resent him for -- but this isn't one of them. I wouldn't know what to do if I were in his shoes in this situation.

[(Anonymous)]

So what's he not saying exactly? It's hard for him to not kill people, but it's easy for Jason not to kill them? What's the argument between them referred to?

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

See, I was trying to have this discussion with him the other day. He doesn't want to hear it.

http://halfbakedplans.tumblr.com/post/16025225155/for-fucks-sake-batman-go-to-therapy-youre-a (http://halfbakedplans.tumblr.com/post/16025225155/for-fucks-sake-batman-go-to-therapy-youre-a)

[(Anonymous)]

lol

[dinerstate.livejournal.com]

Hahaha. Yes.

[flint-marko.livejournal.com]

the link is broken

[(Anonymous)]

no it's not

[(Anonymous)]

*squint*

Is that you, Jason?

[(Anonymous)]

....I lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone's got issues. EVERYONE. And they're quite right to have them, since nobody gets a free pass in situations like this. That's kinda the point.

[(Anonymous)]

His parents are dead though.

[dinerstate.livejournal.com]

Whenever Bruce is being a major douche, I always remember what Tim Sale said about him:
"Batman is a psychotic who scares people; he draws on superstition and the power of darkness. He's disturbed -- he's never recovered from the murder of his parents -- he's never been able to let that go, it's the primary thing that drives his life. Bruce and Batman are both just eight years old. I don't think either one of them is mature. I think in some ways he's the least mature character of them all."

I think that's totally true, and it makes me both love and hate Bruce/Bats. He's a noble character in a lot of ways but he HASN'T ever moved past his personal tragedies, so I think because of that he's largely closed off from emphasizing with other people. He can understand and analyze them, sure, and even occasionally show great bouts of sympathy, but not empathy.

[(Anonymous)]

Batman doesn't seek to negotiate with murderers. He seeks to stop them.

Jason Todd was somebody close to him, once. But now he's a murderer.

This is how batman thinks, and has always thought. Regret and empathy is for after the murderer is stopped.

[kanjo-girl.livejournal.com]

Understandable. I won't ever forgive him for adopting Cassandra Cain and then suddenly she's not included in the family. WTF.

[(Anonymous)]

But honestly though, I hate Bruce too for this but, I just love to hate him so much. I don't think he'd be half as much fun if he weren't such a dick and everybody else in his titles weren't so much better than him.

[captain-emily.livejournal.com]

Bruce is a great man who does a lot of good things, but he's really not what I'd call "stable". And he's never going to win "Father of the Year", that's for damn sure. (At least in the main comics. Some of the off shoots and animated series are much better about that.)

I love the fatherly incarnations of Bruce, but the messed up ones are interesting, too. Yes, he's an awful father, but it just makes him all the more fascinating. Besides, if the Batclan was more like The Waltons, they wouldn't be nearly as interesting. :p

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda feel for Bruce a bit. I mean how DO you react and deal with your first adopted son dying and coming back (Dick was his ward and was later adopted after Jason's death)? Especially since your son came back years after his death with so much rage. How do you respond? Especially if you are emotionally reluctant man like Bruce. On one hand, I think Bruce kinda meant that killing the Joker wouldn't bring back Jason to life. It wouldn't have Babs healed. It would just end with the Joker and thought that he killed someone just like the man who killed his parents (even if it was the common good).

Of course, Bruce isn't doing anything to help Jason get out of this cycle of self-loathing, retaliation, trying to mend relations and be apart of the family, then screwing it all to heck, again and again because everyone in the damn family hasn't seen the pattern and haven't tried you know being there to support him and snap the cycle. You know because telling him to get help and badmouthing him isn't really a good thing to do for someone suffering from a possible type of low-grade depression.

I am watching Under the Red Hood right now. BB!Jason is adorables.

[mika-kun.livejournal.com]

BB!Jason is so cute! I cried during the last "Best day of my life" flashback though.

[krillia.livejournal.com]

I had to ask my - casual comic book fans at best - friends to watch the first part with me because I wasn't sure I could get through the torture scene alone. ;_;

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

Bruce is such a jerk. I love him, but my god.