[ SECERT POST #1846 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1846 ⌋


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Comments

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

Shutting down Megaupload had absolutely jack to do with SOPA/PIPA. The government can't take action on a bill that hasn't been passed, because it's NOT A LAW YET. Megaupload had been getting investigated by the FBI for over a year for other reasons. It's just that the timing was perfectly synced (and possibly intentional).

But if it helped you join the protests, good for you.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

This. I'm amazed at how many people think Megaupload is going to somehow magically come back if SOPA/PIPA/ACTA and all other variations of these internet censorship bills are shut down.

[gabrielsoboe.livejournal.com]

"Shutting down Megaupload had absolutely jack to do with SOPA/PIPA."

THIS. Seriously, I explained that to someone and they keep repeating that it was SOPA's fault when the damned bill hasn't even been voted on.

[orijinaru.livejournal.com]

The way I understand it the timing of this was intentional. It's probably another reason why Anonymous is going on their current rampage, like how they brought down CBS.com earlier.

[childings.livejournal.com]

This. For one thing, people were using it to share child pornography

[(Anonymous)]

They were?

Well, yeah, when I think about it I can see how that would be a hub for that sort of thing. Ugh...

[luxshine.livejournal.com]

honest question here: wouldn't it have been more logical to go after the people that used it for that than going against the service? With the service down, the pedophiles are going to find another service to do the same...

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but that would take effort. :\ I get punishing MU because they weren't doing enough to stop it (I don't know whether they were or not), but it's just like putting a band-aid over a huge gash. Blood is still going to find its way out.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Yeah I'm not saying that it was right for the site to go down, just that there were other reasons they were under investigation and that they were already being investigated before this legislation was proposed

[meadowphoenix]

They wouldn't have enough information. There's almost no way to find people based on their IP and internet profile alone. They'd have to arrest the MU people, and then get them to give up all their customers, which they don't have to do. Secondly, those people may be out of their jurisdiction (they probably are).

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I'm sure that's the case for most (if not all) places like MU. The site is not the problem, the people sharing kid porn are.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

This is pretty much MTE and it's making me facepalm every time it's brought up in SOPA/PIPA discussions. What really gets me is that it's proof that we can already fucking prosecute sites guilty of copyright infringement and piracy. SOPA and PIPA are just ways to yank things off the internet based on hearsay because it's haaaaard to actually investigate and prosecute people through due process. That's pretty much the problem with all these new bills that try to 'enhance efficiency' by lazily doing away with the need to go through currently existing legal routes to prosecution.

[(Anonymous)]

It's way too broad. To the point if the bills were passed and I included in this comment a link to an illegal site and someone reported it to the authorities, LJ would be taken down as "aiding and supporting". They seem to have put thought into just how many sites could go down, because there's a loophole in place that, even if your site didn't have any material on it and you were found innocent, so long as the person who reported you does so a certain way ("I think"/"I believe" not "There is"/"I know") you can't sue them for damages.

And yet, there doesn't seem to have been much if any thought put into how they intend to enforce it. And really, if they can't enforce it as regularly as they would speeding for example, they should not be trying to pass it.

I have to admit, the thing I find creepy about this is the way it's "guilty until proven innocent". Granted, I'm British, but I'm sure that for most other American laws that's the other way around.

[(Anonymous)]

"What really gets me is that it's proof that we can already fucking prosecute sites guilty of copyright infringement and piracy. SOPA and PIPA are just ways to yank things off the internet based on hearsay because it's haaaaard to actually investigate and prosecute people through due process."

Freaking this.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

I have to admit, the thing I find creepy about this is the way it's "guilty until proven innocent".

Especially as I don't know much about the workings of the internet, this is my biggest issue as well. SOPA and PIPA are just so constitutionally unstable that I can't believe that they're even up for discussion.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Well, on paper it's SUPPOSED to be innocent until proven guilty, but in practice it's not always.
Now to a certain extent I'm only recently becoming aware of it so I'm sure that contributes in large part to this perception, but it honestly seems like there are currently a lot more laws going onto the Senate and House floors that include clauses about indefinite detention without evidence and hearing. I know this has been going on forever to a certain extent (e.g. Lincoln famously suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War) but it really feels like every other bill nowadays works around due process. And sure the lawmakers say "well it's just because of this particular loophole that blah blah blah..." and sometimes you get assurances like "as long as I'm president you don't have to worry about indefinite detention" but ultimately it's just them being too goddamn lazy and impatient to put citizens' basic rights over their own interests.
And you're right - it's too broad as well. It's a bunch of industry people freaking out and paying lobbyists to go do something about this scary thing they don't understand, so the lobbyists probably ask for stuff like that because it seems sorta-kinda-reasonable-ish if you have no idea how websites work or what the web is worth.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, on paper it's SUPPOSED to be innocent until proven guilty

*laughs* Don't we fucking know it? I wanted to put "as they would enforce the murder charge" or theft or child abuse, but I've been spending way too much time on "unfunny business" and the urge to add an asterix and have a "provided you're from a "good family" etc" at the bottom of the comment. Hell, now that I read it back I'm thinking "yeah "speeding" - there probably are still places that's code for "being black/latino/generally non-white and having a nice car"."

I've got to be honest I was scolding myself for thinking this bill was too stupid to be real when I remembered that county that was trying to get a bigger budget by claiming they'd have to decriminalise domestic violence. I shit you not.

When I actually had it laid for me what the bill meant...these people don't understand how the internet works. Or they haven't thought it through. Probably both.

I was actually quite scared, thinking about all the stuff I wouldn't be able to do if this got passed. Not going to be able to listen to as much music on youtube, can't use an image in a blog post unless I've created it. And I have to wonder if this is going to tighten up the legal fidgey-widgeyness surrounding fanfic.

It's weird in a very Orwellian way to think that people could take legal action over something so ethemeral. But then, to quote Criminal Minds; "It's the internet, once it's out there, it's there forever."

[(Anonymous)]

What really gets me is that it's proof that we can already fucking prosecute sites guilty of copyright infringement and piracy.

Yeah, I love that they can do this without SOPA and PIPA, and in addition get together funds and manpower to extradite a British student for a site that was ultimately made up of links to other sites and yet somehow after - what, twenty years? - they still can't get it together to bring Polanski back to the State so he can actually serve that sentence for the crime he was tried and found guilty of.

And by "love", I mean it makes me want to threaten cruel and unusual physical violence to these people making these decisions until they admit that money matters more than people.

I know, I know; the situations are completely different, there are other factors, he has powerful friends. I still think the money being put into bringing that kid to America so he stand trial over internet links would be better spent making an example of Polanski.

[quinnzel.livejournal.com]

THIS. Good fucking god.