[ SECRET POST #1848 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1848 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 63 secrets from Secret Submission Post #264.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I was with you until you started hating on the fembots, you fucking asshole.
"Introducing gender" my ass. I hope to god you're just a troll. You realise why there are so many "guy"bots in Transformers, right? Because it's a boy franchise and people think boys shouldn't associate themselves with female characters.
Not because they are alien robots. The alien robot thing has nothing to do with it. It's just sexism.

PS: I assume you also hate the animal Transformers for "introducing Earth animals" to alien robots ;)

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

This is also what I was thinking - at first I was totally believing OP's "I'm not sexist, I can hate slash and still like female characters!" because that can totally be true. You can hate het and only read slash, and still be a feminist and love female characters.

But that b!s had some of the biggest fandom buzzwords that are huge red flags for misogyny: "weak" and "useless." "Whiny" is the only one missing I can think of off the top of my head. Those words have their place in feminist discourse discussing badly-written female characters, but this secret's wording really doesn't come off that way because "ewww how dare they introduce GENDER to my robot fandom! Get your girls out of my boy robot club!" Because the default sex has to be male, right? We can't have feminine robots ever or it becomes all about het and romance, right?
Not even touching "hetfags." But hey, at least "whining" got in there too!

[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

Yep, this in a nutshell. I suddenly feel like I stepped through a time-warp back to 2001 Gundam Wing fandom.

[herongale]

Setting aside the trollishness of the secret, those female characters from the G1 series WERE weak and useless. And one of them had Mary Sue special powers to boot. And they only showed up for one episode and were never even really MENTIONED again, except for one episode where the Aerialbots went back into the past for dumbass reasons and met the younger version of the Mary Sue character, who seemed to be a metallic version of a Barbie Doll IIRC.

And the thing about "introducing gender." Well, in Transformers fandom, it's not about a boys-only club, exactly. There are a lot of people who wonder why robots even require any gender at all, and liked the idea of an society where everyone was technically genderless/bi-gendered. Even though all of the characters had male voice actors, it could be assumed that this didn't make them men-- until obvious girl robots were introduced. And what was worse is that the girl robots didn't even have believable transformations, the way the male ones did, because Oh No that would make them boxy and bulky and masculine looking, just like the boys, and we couldn't have that.

Later series have explored the gender thing more interestingly. But that still raises the question: robots are aliens with non-organic bodies. WHY do they even need to have gender at all? Lots of theories abound, of course. But my main point here is that I sort of think the OP was more lamenting that the introduction of females takes away the ability to imagine the G1 canon as a genderless space. And this is a stance I'm sympathetic with, regardless of how badly written and perhaps trolly the secret was otherwise.

[creeperx.livejournal.com]

THIS! This is exactly the problem I find with introducing female characters to TF. Not because "Ewww, don't bring girls to my boys-only club" but because I loved the idea of their society being genderless. Yeah, humans would of course associate them to be males but the robots, they wouldn't give a shit about things like gender and sexuality since everyone are the same... UNTIL the obvious females were introduced. I wouldn't have had a problem with them if it would have been more like, erm, aesthetic difference. Like robots with a different kind of design or something. But no, as soon as females were introduced they had to put things like romance and stuff to the series, suddenly adding the very human-like sexuality thing to a race where it shouldn't matter. They are freaking robots! Why do they have to have same gender streotypes as humans? THAT'S really the problem I found with it.
Luckily though, newer series have (like you said) explored gender and female characters better.

[(Anonymous)]

Little known fact: G1 Ratchet was going to be female until Hasbro said no. So gender was actually planned to be part of Transformers from the start.

[captain-emily.livejournal.com]

It kind of makes me sad that of course it's the "Nurse" that was going to be female, instead of someone like Ironhide or one of the Dinobots. Maybe even someone higher in the command structure, like Prowl. (And suddenly, I need this fic in my life.)

[kryptoncat.livejournal.com]

You said basically what I was feeling, so thank you.

I liked Elita-One and her bots in the show, actually, their break-in scene at the beginning of that one episode was cool. They could have fit in well in more episodes of the show, if the writers used them as characters in their own right (like the other TFs) and not love-interests.