[ SECRET POST #1849 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1849 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

11. http://i.imgur.com/Eklfj.png

[schizophrenic0.livejournal.com]

Same here, anon. Even my stick figures look bad.

[micromyni.livejournal.com]

I'm the special kind of terrible when I can draw some things passably and other things look so bad it's like I tried to draw them with my non-dominant hand.

[(Anonymous)]

That's part of what has pissed me off about art students in general. Too many of them seem completely unaware that what they know is specialized knowledge and not everyone has it, what they do is a skill they developed that other people didn't choose to, and that not everyone who doodles is aiming to make a living from it. So we suck. So we're 'wasting' our efforts on fanart. So we can't always tell if the lighting is spot on or if the CG in the latest big budget animation feature is really top notch. So what? Maybe they're just jealous that we still get to draw for fun but they can't go performing appendectomies for shits and giggles.

/ranty-rant

[childings.livejournal.com]

Eh well by the same token nobody is forcing you to share your artwork on the internet either
I'm not saying it's okay for people to be mean, just that if you're going to draw you have to have somewhat thicker skin

[(Anonymous)]

I've written fic for over a decade, sugar, I've been flamed, critiqued and made fun of, my skin's quite as thick as it needs to be. I'm not talking about meanness for the sake of being mean, I'm talking about snooty ass art students who think that the only reason to draw at all is to go pro with it. Fanfic writers grasp that most people are doing it for kicks. Fanart needs to catch up.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't understand that mentality. You'd think if anybody would understand how much of a skill it is, it'd be them(us?) If a person's obviously doing it just for fun, I go with the "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all" guideline. If they they're asking for a critique, trying to improve or obviously want to do art as a job then I give then I go with constructive criticism. Personally I always focus on the positive, that's what seems to encourage people to improve.

[malik-chan.livejournal.com]

But if someone doesn't want crit, they can easily say so.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean the kind of art students who, when you respond with something like, "Thank you for the critique but I'm happy enough with it as is," act like you shot their mom and fucked their dog?

I think part of the problem with them is that they probably spend so much time only talking to other art students, they get the idea that everybody knows what they know and everybody should approach art like they do. Because everybody they know does. A bit insular, the art world looks sometimes.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

This is the impression I get. God help you if you don't think studying human anatomy is the most worthwhile pastime ever.

[malik-chan.livejournal.com]

So you see no point in improving as well? Because that what it sounds like.

lol the jealous argument. That's cute. I go to school for animation, I can still draw things for fun and for myself, but I don't want to draw like shit and accept crit when I get it.

[(Anonymous)]

Too many of them seem completely unaware that what they know is specialized knowledge and not everyone has it

Truth, but the sad part is they're unaware due to being constantly belittled for trying to make a living out of art rather than brain surgery.

"Oh you're studying art? Cool, my 5 year-old paints with her fingers in kindergarten too!"
"Hey I know a professional artist - he's an attention whoring dramatic crackhead who fakes disability to get benefits from the taxes WE pay because he can't occupy a damn job using his ~skills~!"

Unless you grew up among artists, musicians and other creative professionals, you've probably been showering in these comments everyday since the first time you picked up a pencil. You'd be brought up believing you're a horrible delinquent up to no good/only there to look pretty while everyone else is supposedly mature and wise beyond their years, majoring in a "real" subject so they can cure cancer and make "real" contributions to ~∽~∽~SOCIETY~∽~∽~ later on. Some of them think amateurs are wasting their efforts because they believe their own efforts and struggles are also in vain.

[amethystium.livejournal.com]

This, so much! It's also the reason why age as a criterium in art contests pisses me off. You can never know how long a person has been drawing, in the first place, aside form that, there are equally important factors, like, are they self-taught or do they have an artistic background, for instance.

[clau019.livejournal.com]

I didn't know that was a thing that happened, but I agree, not everyone can make good drawings naturally.

Yours is cute, though.

[wynddancer.livejournal.com]

I totally agree w/you. "Talent" is nothing more than being interested in something and developing the skills to be good/excellent at it. I've read it takes a certain number of hours of practice (approx. 10,000) to learn to be good at something (http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/on-luck-success-and-10000-hours.html for an overview). Most people take about 10 years to get their 10,000 hours in. I agree w/Dean Wesley Smith that it's not in-born and people who think so are wrong.

From DWS's site: "Or one I got the other day. “You have the talent to write fast.”

Well, when I started to get serious about fiction writing, it took me hours and hours to do one 250 word page. Then that page would be so poorly written and riddled with mistakes that it got tossed away more often than not. (Remember, I was working on a typewriter.) Yup, I was a “naturally talented” fast writer. NOT!

Thank heavens for me I came to the realization early on in my life that talent was only a measure of craft at a certain point in time and nothing more.
Yet, frighteningly, parents, teachers, and so many family and friends think that talent is FIXED. If you are talented when you are young in something, you should be for your entire life. Well, sadly, as many have discovered, it doesn’t work that way"

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Indeed.
As embarrassed as I am about the Mary Sue fics I wrote when I was 12, they were how I cut my writing teeth. Now I'm much better at expressing myself and I can branch out into more plots that are interesting to other people.

[(Anonymous)]

That is how I feel, too. I'm in my late twenties and if I tried to draw anything (which I will NEVER be doing again), it'd look like I was six years old. Even in late elementary school I knew I was hopeless and tried to get by writing paragraphs in the place of drawings.

[malik-chan.livejournal.com]

That's nice, but bad art is bad art and I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

[otakugal15.livejournal.com]

Yeah...pretty much. >>

[(Anonymous)]

As long as you don't throw hissy fits when people tell you they aren't taking your advice.

[theartema.livejournal.com]

As an art tutor, I find your attitude in this thread pretty gross. Yes, you're within your right to state your opinions on other people's art, but you need to have some tact.

Considering what you have to offer in your own gallery, I'd be very careful throwing stones in glass houses. You have a lot of room for improvement as an artist- try focusing on bettering yourself instead of bringing others down.

[(Anonymous)]

lol no anon. Sure, the difference between a Picasso and the average comes down to talent/practice/etc. but you really ought to be able to get by in your 20s far better than the goop we all drew at 5. I know you are looking for a pat on the back but no.

[(Anonymous)]

If you were trying to be an ass, you have succeeded most admirably. Congrats.

[chewynutter.livejournal.com]

D'aww, that owl's cute ^^

[(Anonymous)]

Only like 2 of my friends are art students, and I do see them making fun of bad art from time to time. One of them can draw/paint very well, and one of them sucks ass. But to be honest, when they make fun of art, it's more like they already hate the person and they are just finding more reasons to hate them.

It's uncomfortable when they get like that, but OP, honestly if the chance of getting made fun of is scarier to you than having fun drawing a picture, then just save yourself from the high blood pressure problems and don't draw. Honestly, most people won't give you shit if you draw badly unless you're an obnoxious person, which you don't sound like.