[ SECRET POST #1870 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1870 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

No, even if they're trying to "hurt" you by using words, unless you're certain that they're going to physicially attack you and are acting in self-defense, violence is never the right choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Says you.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

I suppose, but I react violently to slurs when people use them in reference to my person because in my experience there has always been violence behind them. Thus far, slurs have only been used against me during a physical altercation or after something has been thrown at me (like a rock out of a moving car, which yes, has happened).

I don't know what else I can say about this because you obviously disapprove of my reaction (which I can see as being perfectly reasonable based on what I've said, to be honest). Should someone call me a derogatory name without blows already having been thrown, and I lash out physically, then I will have to deal with the consequences of my actions. I know this perfectly well, and I accept it.

[(Anonymous)]

Punching people not for self-defense, or the defense of others, is worse than the slur. How can you be sure they don't have brain problems that intensify with punches? You realize that a single punch to the face can kill someone?

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

LJ apparently ate my reply. To reiterate, I don't know why you're continuing to drag this out. I conceded to your point because it is perfectly valid, but I know how I have reacted in the past to slurs thrown my way and it's probably not going to change because every time it has happened, the person on the other end was intending to do me physical harm, regardless of a brain condition or whatever. That's it. And even so, I probably wouldn't really care about their condition at that point because they are threatening my safety.

Violence is bad. I know that. However, my experience with slurs referencing my person have always had violence behind them, and thus I react physically; it's almost a gut reaction at this point. I also said in my comment above that I am more than willing to accept the consequences of my actions should someone get hurt, or did you miss that in an attempt to try and make me see the error of my ways? Besides, I highly doubt my punch would kill anyone as I am not very strong and have terrible coordination. I've lost every fight I've been in but one, and as much as getting ground into the pavement sucks, I have no regrets in defending myself, anon.

Please let this go. I'm pretty sure you're only frustrating us both at this point because I have a feeling we're talking in circles around one another. I am but one person. Continue to advocate for pacifism because it is a good thing, but I don't know that I personally can adhere to it. Sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

There's no such thing as blanket morality. What is "never the right choice" for you is the right choice for somebody else.

[(Anonymous)]

Violence that doesn't react to violence isn't logical. Sorry, but the logical course of action is usually the right one in the long run.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, you don't get to define morality for other people, and you don't get to define logic based on your morality and apply it to others for the same reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Punching people in the face can kill them or disfigure their face among other things. That's a disproportionate retaliation for an slur. I'm not defining logic based on my morality, I'm defining my morality logically. Potential permanent damage isn't equal to a word that carries no legal power. The idea of moral relaitivity is dead, by the way. Unless you want to somehow justify the brutal torture of women by totalitarian communities in the middle east.

Either way, I don't see how I'm being unreasonable by asking people to refrain from PHYSICAL VIOLENCE that can lead to serious repercussions unless they themselves are being threatened similarly.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice strawman.

You have clearly never been verbally assaulted.

[(Anonymous)]

What strawman? The poster specifically mentioned "punching people in the face". Punches in the face have some of the worst medical consequences of any kind of punches. There was a story recently in which a guy punched another guy in the face because the other guy was flirting with is girlfriend. The guy that got punched DIED. Let me look for the news story.

[(Anonymous)]

Here it is: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/933162-196/one-punch-led-to-death-and-homicide.html

[green-glee.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure why our society is so convinced that physical violence is worse than emotional violence.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Because physical violence generally has accompanying emotional violence? I mean, if a dude is beating his wife, there's the physical violence as well as the accompanying implied emotional violence of a loved one wishing harm on you. Also, emotional violence probably won't kill you.

[(Anonymous)]

because physical violence can KILL YOU?

('but emotional violence can make you commit suicide!' yeah, okay, i'll let you have that. meantime, i'll be here glad that someone said something mean to me instead of cutting off my arm)

[green-glee.livejournal.com]

Okay this post is like way too old so I don't remember correctly but afaik the OP of the thread was talking about punching someone, which does neither kill you nor make your arm fall off, I'm not sure where you're even going with that.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Hi, Spock.

[dreamdischarger.livejournal.com]

I bet you're white

[(Anonymous)]

$20 says you're right. "Violence is never the answer" is just one big tone argument.

[(Anonymous)]

So you're saying POCs are more likely to be violent you racist fuck

[(Anonymous)]

That's an extremely racist thing to say.

[(Anonymous)]

Im not your general side of this debate in spirit (words can be reclaimed etc)

But sometimes violence IS the answer. Somtimes a person can be so ... awful, willfully ignorant, obnoxious, etc that giving out a belt is the only reasonable response.

Good judgement is always the answer, Compassion and patience is often the answer, but somtimes the best answer is violence

[(Anonymous)]

Violence is only a valid answer to violence. Research has been made thjat indicates that no real education can be given through force.

[(Anonymous)]

I would argue that research on the grounds that every animal, humans included, have gained knowledge through pain. Dont touch the orange flickery thing it burns, dont fight the big hairy thing without a weapon it eats people, If I pick up the wrong cheese I get electrocuted, etc.

Not the point I wish to actually argue, but an interesting counter point I think.

My actual point is this: Somtimes it's not about educating people. there are plently of hateful monsterous people in ther world much smarter than I am. I have nothing to teach them, and it would be arrogant to suggest that I can teach them the error of their ways.

all the same the best answer. Somtimes it's deserved.