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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-02-17 05:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #1872 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1872 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Hobo with a Shotgun]


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[That Mitchell and Webb Look]


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[The Secret Circle]


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[How I Met Your Mother]


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[Les Miserables]


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[Code Geass]


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[Star Trek]


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[Pound Puppies]


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[NCIS]


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[Mass Effect 3]


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[Glee]


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[Brave New World]


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[Star Trek DS9]


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[Brazil]


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[Rob Liefeld/Ioana Spangenberg]


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[Suzumiya Haruhi]


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[A:tLA]


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[Video Games Awesome!, Skyward Sword Long Haul]


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[Toy Story]


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[Being Human]


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[G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra]


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[My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic]


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[How I Met Your Mother]


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[Hetalia]


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26. [SPOILERS for Mass Effect 3]



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27. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual abuse]

[Revolutionary Girl Utena]


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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]
[SPOILERS for The Hunger Games]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for non-con and sex between minors]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[Sherlock]


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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for shotacon]
http://i.imgur.com/JJapK.png
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[identity profile] kindlycoyote.livejournal.com 2012-02-18 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I mean, my old friend was asexual (a toxic friendship that I eventually cut off, but the asexuality bit was not a part of that. Hell, I was the first and for a long time only person she told and who supported her throughout her realization of it, but she still-... sorry, unsolved issues. Stop ranting now.), but it is more something that makes you feel different and makes you have to explain yourself to everyone, and sometimes be seen as a freak, then anything else.

Don't get me wrong, I sympathize like hell. But when I talk to my conservative family about stuff, being asexual is considered fine, whereas if I ever told them I had queer tendencies I would be placed in the pastor's office ASAP. This doesn't mean what I go through is any easier, but it does mean that the outward effects and ways people act toward you are less aggressive when you simply lack the desire for sex vs. want it in some socially frowned upon way (this of course isn't counting asexuals who are also bi or homo romantic.). The biggest issue she complained about was people thinking there was something wrong with her and her roommate/best friend saying 'she just needed to find the right guy', which is fucked up.

All this is to say... She is more likely to not get a job because of her looks or her gender than because of her sexual orientation. Even in the deep south.

The biggest things asexuals have to deal with (from what my friend told me) is ignorance, where the biggest thing people of different races or sexualities/romantic leanings is outright hatred. Hell, gender generally has more hatred attached to it.
Edited 2012-02-18 04:24 (UTC)

[identity profile] dorknessrising.livejournal.com 2012-02-18 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Word to all of this. Hell, I've gotten way more shit for being an overweight girl who reads too much than I've ever gotten for being asexual (with homoromantic leanings, even).

[identity profile] zombieroadtrip.livejournal.com 2012-02-18 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
And every anti-asexual "discrimination" I've ever heard up have boiled down to misogyny, homophobia, or some combination of the two. There's no unique way in which the "sexual" are privileged over asexuals. Just by definition alone, "sexual" would include homosexual, bisexual, etc, and "asexual" would include heteromantic people. So yeah, I'm pretty fucking angry that some of these asexuals are spreading nonsensical "privilege checklists" for sexual people, as if anyone in the queer community has their sex approved and encouraged by society.

The biggest issue she complained about was people thinking there was something wrong with her and her roommate/best friend saying 'she just needed to find the right guy', which is fucked up.

Yeah, and queer and straight women go through this too. It's misogyny in action-- finding a man will "fix" a woman, because being single and a woman means you are "broken" in our society.

Hell, I was the first and for a long time only person she told and who supported her throughout her realization of it, but she still-... sorry, unsolved issues. Stop ranting now.), but it is more something that makes you feel different and makes you have to explain yourself to everyone, and sometimes be seen as a freak, then anything else.

See, this is when I start to think people are redefining "oppression" as "anything that causes me inconvenience."

[identity profile] dorknessrising.livejournal.com 2012-02-18 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty much this.

Yes, I've gotten weird looks/dumb questions from people who were totally down with being gay and bisexual, but thought it was odd to not want sex at all. And you know what? Yes. It is odd to not be sexually attracted to people. I don't think there's any harm in admitting that. Normal, yes, but still strange.

TL;DR version: The only group who can ever have "sexual privilege" is straight people. Period. End.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Being asexual is just as strange as being gay or straight. Seriously, what the fuck?

[identity profile] dorknessrising.livejournal.com 2012-02-18 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
*shrug* Like I said, it's just as normal a variant as being gay or bi or any other sexual orientation you can think of. But it isn't exactly prevalent, and people who do experience sexual attraction are naturally going to think it's strange to not feel it. This doesn't make it bad, by the way, just uncommon. I don't really see the harm in acknowledging that you're a minority that is poorly understood just by its very nature.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
What sexuals think is strange =/= actually strange. Fuck anybody who thinks I'm strange for my orientation, seriously.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Anybody who gets as uptight as you do over not wanting to fuck is pretty goddamn strange. Just sayin'.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
*eye roll*

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmm, fresh-spanked butthurt.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
What kind of logic is this?

Have you not heard of intersectionality? When someone tells a straight woman that she "just needs to find the right guy", that's misogyny. When someone tells a gay woman that, it's misogyny and homophobia. When someone tells an asexual woman that, it's misogyny and anti-asexual sentiment.

Also, what's your point? That because straight and gay women have similar experiences, asexual women should shut up about how their asexuality intersects with their other oppressions and how it affects them? What the hell.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Another asexual, here.

When someone tells an asexual woman that, it's misogyny and anti-asexual sentiment.

No, it isn't. It's straight-up misogyny. There is no such thing as "anti-asexuality sentiment" because unless you make a pest of yourself about it, nobody fucking cares who you don't want to fuck. And if you do make a pest of yourself, people aren't against your asexuality, they're against you being a histrionic ass.

That because straight and gay women have similar experiences, asexual women should shut up about how their asexuality intersects with their other oppressions and how it affects them?

Yes, that is the point. You need to stop appropriating the hell out of the LGBT experience if you don't belong to it. You aren't discriminated against or oppressed solely because you don't want to get it on. Get the fuck over it.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. Just WOW.

This is a perfect example right here.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
A perfect example of being angry at whiny little shits that make my sexuality look like a group of special goddamn snowflakes? You betcha.

[identity profile] zombieroadtrip.livejournal.com 2012-02-19 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I have heard of intersectionality for oppressions that actually exist. There is no "anti-asexual" sentiment because, with the exception of small subsets of the internet, no one even knows you exist. And yes, that brings with it ignorance, but there is no unique asexual oppression.

Asexuality intersects with nothing because there is no privileged "sexual" class, nor is there an inherently oppressed "asexual" class. A woman gets told she "just needs to find the right guy" because of misogyny, and often at the same time because of homophobia, whether she's straight or not. A woman always needs to find the right man, because a woman is not whole without one. When an asexual woman says she's not interested in sex, the assumption is that she's a "frigid b*tch," because she's a woman who's not making herself sexually available to men. That is misogyny. Or she'd be assumed to be a lesbian, and equally-detested class of people. If an asexual man said he was not interested in sex, he'd be assumed to be gay as well, or accused of being a "p*ssy" because men are assumed to always be interested in sex and casual hookups. Not because there's a unique oppression against asexual men, but because patriarchal norms sometimes backfire on men, and they're expected to be highly sexual and emotionally dead. Women, the opposite. (Of course, women get a double whammy here because the ones without interest in sex are "frigid" and the ones with are "sl*ts" so...)

Outside of tumblr and livejournal, most of the world doesn't know asexuals exist, bottom line. There can be no active oppression against them if they are at best, not even heard of, and at worst, ignored. You are pressured with all the same pressures that affect "sexuals," the exact expectations for sex and relationships, the exact same sexism, the exact same gender binary, the exact same sex assumptions. You cannot claim oppression when your people are going through the exact same things other people are.

Frankly, it's insulting that you believe "sexual" people have these issues any easier because they're sometimes sexually attracted to people. The pressure to be sexual, and conversely, the pressure to be chaste at the same time is a dichotomy that oppresses us both. Hell, some people are deemed "too sexual," because they're more sexually active, should we create a class for them? Or should we assume that their discrimination is merely a result of our society's views on sex and relationships, on gender and gender norms, rather than a unique subset of "oppression?"

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly? Speaking as an asexual, the worst I've seen has come from the LBGTQ group - generally because they [they specific individuals doing it, not the whole group] automatically assume that by mentioning the complete lack of exposure in media/what articles there about asexuals boiling down to 'HEY GUY! Think *you* have a shitty sex life?! Just *look* at these people!" that the person is trying to say 'We have it sooooo much worse than you!' ...even though, as often as not, that isn't what they're saying.

[For reference, *no* asexuals don't have it as bad - but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be nice to get some info out there either.]

[identity profile] kathkin.livejournal.com 2012-02-18 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
[For reference, *no* asexuals don't have it as bad - but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be nice to get some info out there either.]

I'm not asexual but word on this part.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-18 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
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