[ SECRET POST #184 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #184 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 131 secrets from Secret Submission Post #027.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 ] broken links, [ 1 ] not!secrets, [ 1 ] not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] personal attacks.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, July 9th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

7 and 14: Get over it and stop being fucking crybabies. I'm sick of all the yaoi and slash bashing here. Yaoi and slash are no better or no worse than het of the same quality. Don't like yaoi? DON'T FUCKING READ IT.

(As a side note, could we classify the OMG YAOI FANGIRLS EW and no-reason-for-hating-but-it's-gay secrets as personal attacks? Not all of us who like yaoi or slash like the way most of these secrets seem gendered -like a real man couldn't like slash? Fuck off and die already- and directed alike toward the prepubescent fanbrats WE find annoying too and toward those of us who do actually care about and contribute to our fandoms in a positive way that someone else just happens to find viscerally disgusting.)

25: Please consider therapy.

[maeda.livejournal.com]

Whoa, whoa, WHOA. Simmer the fuck down. 7 I understand because the slash in the JTHM fandom has never, ever been in character, and that's the problem, not the slash itself. Fourteen is because 99% of the slash fans in the Naruto fandom draw the characters, well, like that, as in they look nothing like Naruto or Sasuke. Again, that is the actual problem.

As for people always saying "slash fangirls", it's just a stupid generalization, not a personal attack.

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

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Whoa, whoa, WHOA. Simmer the fuck down. 7 I understand because the slash in the JTHM fandom has never, ever been in character, and that's the problem, not the slash itself. Fourteen is because 99% of the slash fans in the Naruto fandom draw the characters, well, like that, as in they look nothing like Naruto or Sasuke. Again, that is the actual problem.

*wipes self off* Sorry about that. It's that the last post and its comments on a secret or two in it seemed to be an all-around "hey, let's call all yaoi fans stupid" bashfest right down to het fans accusing one secret poster of not having real-life intelligence.

I'm getting really tired of the idea that being anti-slash to the extent of thinking all fictional characters MUST be straight unless they're written like the Scissor Sisters or the Queer Eye guys or a seme and an uke, since it *is* a "port" of homophobia into fandom.

[case]

right down to het fans accusing one secret poster of not having real-life intelligence.

I seriously do not get where you're getting this from. If ANYONE, yaoi fan OR het fan, had posted "LOOK HERE ARE MY SAT SCORES IM SMART," the response would have been exactly the same. No one said "you're stupid because you like yaoi," they said "you're stupid because you think SAT scores mean anything in the real world, plus you're posting your scores here and showing off like you expect people to care."

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

I'm saying this because (and no, I'm not the secret poster, I don't ID as a "her") most of the commenters zeroed in on that rather than considering the actual point of the secret.

[case]

But the point was, she was saying she was smart, and just by posting that secret it kind of showed how... not smart she was? Because really, common sense, how else was she expecting everybody to respond? I think that was the point that people were making: by making and posting the secret claiming to be smart, she showed an utter lack of foresight.

[maeda.livejournal.com]

lulz insecurity

[maeda.livejournal.com]

Oh, and as for 25, I like how everyone is saying "therapy!" as if the secret poster hasn't already. Kinks don't need therapy unless they're hurting other people or really interfering with the person's life, and I'm assuming that neither is the case for this person.

[maeda.livejournal.com]

*already considered.

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

About 25, I assumed that he physically CAN'T get off on something, anything else from the wording, and that's what the scary part and why I'm saying "therapy." If the only thing you can get off on is the thought of rape or murder scenes or torture, and nothing else gives you any pleasure at all. . . that's kind of scary IMO.

[maeda.livejournal.com]

Well, I understand that. It is intimidating (only a little, considering that I have combined kinks that make the idea look like an episode of Sesame Street), but not necessarily therapy-worthy. I agree that therapy would be a good idea if that were the case and the person was looking for something, y'know, real, so as not to harm anyone else (unless they're into that, but I'm not paying the bail!). It'd also be a good idea if they are so focused on it because of unconsciously-remembered childhood trauma.

I still say they've probably already considered therapy, and if it didn't work or they're not interested, then whatever. It's not like they're the only one.

[case]

combined kinks that make the idea look like an episode of Sesame Street

aethgkajeghaekjgaeth the mental images *DIES*

[maeda.livejournal.com]

Have you ever seen that "Snuff Film" shirt on T-Shirt Hell?

Awww yeah baby.

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

*nods* And I agree with you there.

[case]

.............. what? How is "I hate yaoi fangirls" attacking you personally? Would you be personally offended at "I hate people?"

I'm agreeing with burningmoth on this one -- they're not complaining about ALL slash fans, just the ones in the JTHM fandom for 7 (that are utterly OOC) and the ones that bishie/ukefy characters into NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL -- like in the picture given -- for 14.

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

Oh OK, I understand now.

[case]

the way most of these secrets seem gendered -like a real man couldn't like slash? Fuck off and die already-

Oh yeah, and whoa, where are you getting all that? I don't see any of it and I'm a guy who likes slash...

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

I'm referring to the comments on the pro-yaoi secret in the last post that bashed the poster (although posting her SAT scores wasn't a wise idea) and to the general idea that many of the "omg yaoi ruined my fandom" people promulgate that if people were real men and women, they'd write het, so they must be prepubescent fangirls.

[case]

Yaoi has ruined fandoms for me. Retarded OOC fannish drivel in FF7? Count me in. I love the game, but I hate the fandom. It happens. Doesn't make me any less of a real man or woman, and it doesn't mean I'm implying that anyone else should or should not do something. I could state "yaoi ruined FF7 fandom for me" and it'd be true.

All I'm saying is, I think you're reading way too far into this stuff.

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

All right. I apologize if I was. I've been in my share of fandom flamewars, and these just hit some sore spots for me (if you've ever been told, in all seriousness, to "get out of our sandbox" for writing a character as not in love with his fanon het romantic lead or to "stop ruining our fandom" for exploring his darker side, it's very easy to take offense to stuff like this).

I'm sorry.

[case]

No problem, was more confused than anything else. *dies*

And no, I've never been told anything like that which is surprising actually *dies* since I've been writing slash for like uhhh a couple years. But moronic people are everywhere. ):

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the Trigun fandom was a rather unfriendly place for slashers (especially twincest slashers, which I was somewhat at the time, I'd write KxV among other pairings) from around 2004 until around early 2006. Especially if you wrote Vash as anything but a walking stick of glitter-sugar and the kindest, most attentive boyfriend ever *headdesk* and you weren't friends with the right people. Things have definitely improved for now, but. . . I'm very sensitive to "hehe, het is like soooo much better you tards, 'cause it's canon and slash will never be" type stuff.

[iamadoughnut.livejournal.com]

Oh god. Let's try pointing our newly learned gender theory indignation toward something that's an actual problem next time, shall we?

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

I've already apologized for it. Please look at the above comments.