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Comments

[urplesquirrel.livejournal.com]

I think it's the most stupid thing I've ever heard that there are some people who are policing language to the point where they claim that the word 'stupid' is ableist. I mean, I could see making that argument for the words idiot, moron, or imbecile, since they were all once medical terms for mental retardation (although I think that's going to ridiculous levels by itself), but stupid? Stupid has never meant "someone who has mental disabilities". Stupid has only ever meant "someone who is not smart."

Saying someone is being ableist for using the word stupid is, frankly... stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

whenever someone goes off about stupid being ableist, i always wonder if they would prefer "person of lesser intelligence" instead.

somehow, i doubt they would.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, iirc, there was a time when it meant someone who was a little...slow, and not always in a way that meant there weren't smart [For example, it was used to refer to deaf-mutes historically]. So, I can see why someone would get upset but...Yeah. I tend to think that the policing has gone too far and is a little 'stupid' itself.

[(Anonymous)]

In Dutch, the words for stupid and mute are the same - "stom".

As are the words for bank and couch (bank).

And the words for frost and ruler (vorst).

And saying using stupid as an insult is offensive is just moronic.

[cleverthylacine]

I'm pretty sure the origin of this word (I looked it up after arguing with someone about it) is from "stupor" so basically you're saying that a person is acting like they're drunk or drugged.

[meadowphoenix]

It is from the latin stupere to gape open (mouth), be amazed, surprised, astounded.

[dinerstate.livejournal.com]

While I totally agree, I think we should be able to, at this point in time, afford the same to 'dumb.' I mean, honestly, 'dumb' hasn't been used medically for quite a long time. I know my brother and my dad had no idea it even was a medical term to begin with. I feel like we've moved on, but then again I really only see people get up in arms about 'dumb' when they're losing an argument and they need to nitpick to try and stay in it. \:

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Haha, yeah, I remember I learned that usage of "dumb" from reading the Narnia books as a kid when they talk about talking animals and dumb animals. It confused the hell out of me at first. :P You pretty much only ever see that usage in older books. I suppose now you'd say "mute".

[starphotographs.livejournal.com]

Oh god, coming across the old meaning of dumb in books as a kid was SO confusing. And hilarious.

And ripe for wordplay/puns/whatever, especially when paired with deaf and blind. "Nah, billy can see and hear fine. He's just kinda dumb." LOL.

[nyxelestia.livejournal.com]

It might be used somewhere.

I thought it was the same with lame - all my life even my 90-something English teacher said lame was "an old word for people with a limp", so it always felt really damn nitpicky when someone started arguing against it, because realistically a huge portion of the words we use today meant something different a long time ago.

But then it turns out some people DO still use lame to refer to people with a limp, apparently in the health industry or something. :/

[hintcoin.livejournal.com]

see, i can't even get on board with the "idiot/moron/imbecile are offensive" line of thinking, because they are offensive - nobody wants to be called an idiot - but... they're not exclusively offensive to people with intellectual handicaps. mental retardation was a term coined to replace them. they're NOT recognized synonyms for retarded any more - they're not ableist language.

seriously, asking somone not to misuse language in a way that's prejudiced is okay as long as you do it in a respectful manner, but make sure the words you're asking people not to say are actually offensive - i've seen so many people getting called out for saying idiot and innocuous stuff like that, and yet so many other people use words like retard, mongol, downsy etc etc casually and nobody bats and eyelid.

[hintcoin.livejournal.com]

i should add that if they're used specifically to cause offence in the context of someone being disabled, then yeah, that's ableist

calling someone an idiot when they're acting really fucking stupid isn't

(this is all entirely my opinion, ofc)

[nyxelestia.livejournal.com]

Wasn't "retard" removed from the medical lexicon to refer to people with mental disabilities? I remember in my high school there was a lot of debate going on over whether or not it was now "okay" to use retard as an insult seeing as it no longer officially referenced people with mental disabilities - like, the vast majority of kids had no idea retard didn't just mean stupid but actually meant people with mental disabilities until some pissed off teacher told them, so did it really count as discrimination if these kids were using a word which was basically "stupid" to them (i.e. no abelist history).

[hintcoin.livejournal.com]

admittedly retard isn't an incredibly relevant or polite term for learning disabilities anymore, but i think, especially when compared to other examples given like idiot, it's a lot more relevant as far as the "don't use this word because it's offensive to disabled people" argument goes, and as much as i dislike sjw, i'd prefer to see them pointing that out instead of seeing them saying stuff like "DON'T SAY STUPID BC UR BEING OFFENSIVE TO PEOPLE W/ DISABILITIES."

maybe it's a matter of location. where i am, at least, retard wasn't really in use as slang until recently. it's actually only in the past few years that i've heard people in real life use it as a synonym for stupid.

i know the word in itself isn't indicative of prejudice - i'm friends with people who use it as a part of their everyday vocabulary, and i know they're not in anyway ableist. knowing that still doesn't make me any more comfortable with it being used so casually, tho.

[nyxelestia.livejournal.com]

Ah, probably the "where we live" thing - pretty much anyone in or below their mid-to-late 20's in our area grew up with it meaning "stupid" before "mental disability" - and that includes quite a few of our teachers, which kind of made things weirder.

[urplesquirrel.livejournal.com]

I actually agree with that. To say that the word "moron" is ableist is to deny that language evolves over time. Words can change meanings.