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fandomsecrets2012-02-21 05:27 pm
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But when it gets to the point where you're telling people who actually are in that group how they're allowed to feel, I draw the line. And that's all I see most of the hardcore people doing, nowadays.
I especially don't like it when they go around telling people who haven't made their sexuality obvious that if they're straight they should shut up. I'm bisexual, in a relationship with a person of the same gender as me, and I don't want straight people to shut up. I think everyone needs to have a place in the dialogue about sexuality for anything to get better--straight people should realize that there are probably things they're not aware of because they're straight, but they don't have to NEVER HAVE AN OPINION EVER or NEVER EXPRESS IT if they do. They just need to realize that they a queer person will probably have a more informed perspective than they do on the issues, and that they should take that into account--and half the time when it's someone they're telling to shut up, they have the same perspective that I do, and I'm not straight. Oftentimes, the people telling them to shut up are the straight ones!
Ditto for trans issues, although it bothers me less because people in general still need to be way more aware of those than they generally are. Everyone has a place in the dialogue about gender issues. Everyone.
As a queer, non-cisgendered human being... STOP IT. It's great that you feel that way, but STOP TELLING EVERYONE ELSE THAT THEY HAVE TO.
WE DON'T FUCKING NEED YOU TO SPEAK FOR US.
Let us speak for ourselves. Those of us who agree with you will agree. Those of us who disagree are not self-hating carriers of internalized bigotry--we're just different.
Isn't being different supposed to be okay?
ETA: ...WOW THAT WAS RANTIER THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE oops.
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-22 06:15 am (UTC)(link)This is so fucking perfect. I really wish SJWs would get this.
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-22 11:15 am (UTC)(link)*standing fucking ovation*
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-22 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)This is, honestly, one of my biggest pet peeves. Especially since a lot of the instances that I see "IF YOU'RE STRAIGHT, SHUT UP!!" being thrown around, the people being told to shut up are actually trying to genuinely participate in the conversation and are often actually interested in discussing the issues at hand or getting a queer person's perspective. And, you know, it's especially awesome when people throw these kind of statements at someone who disagrees with them, assuming they're not queer (because obviously we all operate under a hive mind and should have the exact same opinions always), only to find out the people they're belittling are queer, and then they end up back pedaling and declaring that anyone who is queer and doesn't agree with their viewpoint is obviously a mindless sycophant controlled by the heterosexual masses. I'm sorry, but last I checked, I'm allowed to have a different opinion than others without my degree of "queerness" being called into question. I've also noticed a high correlation between these kind of statements and people resorting to throwing around words like "staighty", too, which is absolutely vile.
Aaaaand that was a lot more ranty than I intended as well. My apologies! Your comment just obviously struck a cord with me.
In summary, this comment is awesome and you should feel awesome.
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I guess asking people for their opinions is not only wrong but one of the worst things you can do on the Internet ever (or so I've been told).
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-23 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)Being annoyed by the (sometimes constant) lack of understanding/getting asked the same questions all the time is one thing and I totally get that, but being an asshole to someone or screaming at them just because you can is another. And just because someone's in the majority (or you assume they are) doesn't mean throwing offensive terms at them is any better. And yet, those people seem to be the ones getting the congratulatory pats on the back for being asshats to people in a lot of places around the Internet that should be safe spaces for discussion for everyone.
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..No. I just have a different opinion. It happens.
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-23 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)Funny how different people have different opinions, isn't it? And the great thing is, you don't even have to agree with them! Just, you know, don't be a dick about it.
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I really hate that, in a conversation about ANYTHING that has to do with homosexuality, you literally have to preface your comment with your sexuality in order for you opinion to either be taken seriously or told to get the fuck out and "stop trying to speak over homosexuals". Straight people are allowed to have an opinion, too - it just might be ignorant or uninformed, but really, telling straight people to "get the fuck out" of a conversation ISN'T doing you or the LGBT community any favors. Since they're the majority, it would be pretty fucking helpful to have some of them take part in a conversation so that they could learn something.
On a conversation one time about something having to do with homosexuality, I got bashed for like a hundred comments until I admitted that I was bisexual (which I didn't want to HAVE to do, because I am very uncomfortable revealing my sexuality due to prejudice and I didn't think that I would end up having to be LGBT in order to have an opinion mean anything), at which point I was apologized to and everybody left me alone. Except for some really ridiculous SJWs (who mostly admitted to being straight) telling me that I was a self-hating homophobe because my opinion wasn't what it ~should~ be for a person with my sexuality.
Because apparently it's not cool to make prejudicial assumptions about people of ANY minority, but it's totally okay to assume that all people of a single sexuality, religion, race or circumstance will have the exact same opinion or else they're not only assholes, but self-hating assholes.