[ SECRET POST #1895 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1895 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You're free to find SanSan disgusting but this is fiction so who gives a fuck.

Sansa & Sandor's dynamic was hands down the most interesting part for me (at least in the 2½ books I've read so far). I know it's a thoroughly unhealthy ship but that doesn't make me want to see it any less. The world context also makes me overlook their age difference since it was fairly normal to wed 13-year-olds in the middle ages.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Ok.

[visp.livejournal.com]

since it was fairly normal to wed 13-year-olds in the middle ages.

So was throwing your shit into the street and publicly disemboweling people.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't really apply modern values to a place like Westeros, can you. If I'm going to accept the characters murdering each other with swords, I'm also going to accept them marrying 13-year-olds.

Also 13 is perfectly legal in some countries. As far as biology goes there's hardly any problem with it.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Yes you can. I can apply modern values if I want to. Look! I'll do it right now! I hate the fact that Cersei suffered marital rape even though that was not a concept that exists in that society. I can be upset with the patriarchy instead of just being like "oh well, that's how it was back then, so that's ok!"

[(Anonymous)]

I actually really love this series for portraying a full-on patriarchal medieval society instead of making it more equal to appeal to a modern audience or whatever. The book fully recognizes the unfairness of it's world which makes the characters, especially female, all the more admirable for managing to survive it.

So yeah I really don't care if one of the adult characters makes sweet loving to a young teen. It's pretty low on the scale of morally questionable things when it comes to these books.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

The specific situation and power dynamics involved in Sansa and Sandor's situation is what makes it especially squicky for me. Like if they were a random adult and 13 year old who were (for some reason) on equal footing... yeah I'd still be skeeved, but it wouldn't be as bad. But you can't say that people SHOULDN'T be skeeved out by SanSan just because sometimes 13 year old girls got married off to adult men back in the day. That's not really a great defense.

[were-lemur.livejournal.com]

I actually really love this series for portraying a full-on patriarchal medieval society instead of making it more equal to appeal to a modern audience or whatever.

This. I think that the people who are upset with Martin for not making Westeros a feminist utopia were missing the POINT.

[visp.livejournal.com]

Oookaaaay... ignoring your foray into "but it's legal somewhere...

Westeros has its own mores, but that doesn't mean that you get to get your perv on for 13-year-olds and not get called out on it. The thing about ASOIAF is that Martin doesn't say that all the shit that goes on in Westeros is awesome and moral relativism makes it all okay!

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't bone a 13-year-old myself, but frankly I don't find it difficult to relate to a culture that's cool with it? Westeros is a society that depends on producing heirs to it's houses so it only makes sense for girls to get pregnant as early as possible. What kind of social justice do you hope to achieve by whining about a fictional work portraying historical accuracy?

[visp.livejournal.com]

No one's whining about fictional work portraying historical accuracy.

What SanSan doing is essentially taking the historical accuracy, ignoring all the things that were accurately wrong about it, ignoring the canon characters, turning it into some sort of fluffy "It's like Sting's Every breath you take is our soooong!" heart-fest and then whining that people point out the unfortunate implications.