[ SECRET POST #1895 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1895 ⌋


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Notes:

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Comments

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

SANSAN IS THE LITERAL WORST.

THE.

WORST.

[jewelia13.livejournal.com]

Why? I'd think Sansa/Gregor would be worse, or Sansa/Joffrey. (Unless you're referring to the actual portmanteau itself...)

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Because I enjoy the use of hyperbole.

But also because neither of those two ships that you mentioned are actually a thing in fandom.

Sansa/Sandor is pretty hugely popular, so I have to see it all over the place when I'm looking for fic and am reminded of how much I dislike this pairing every time I see a fic featuring them. Like, their popularity baffles me and the way they are romanticized... IDK. i just don't get how anyone can like Sansa and want her to end up with Sandor. She's been through enough already. Can we not saddle her with a manchild who is aggressive and ~15 years her senior?

[hinodeh.livejournal.com]

Correction, I think it is the most popular ASoIaF ship period. :P

As for it being so popular, I think people enjoy the drama of it and how rewarding it would be because of it if Sandor softened up and hooked up with Sansa. Not saying that the ship is healthy or non-creepy, but most fantoms I've known have always preferred the sick bad boy ship over any nice and safe option. Probably because they see "nice, safe and healthy" as boring.

[hinodeh.livejournal.com]

I meant to write "fandoms".

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Like, I like the "bad boy" ship sometimes. (I ship Spike/Buffy and Kate/Sawyer). BUT LIKE. SANSA IS A KID. She has zero power in that relationship. With Buffy, she and Spike were at least on fairly equal footing when it came to a fight. Sansa is just... she doesn't have that.

[visp.livejournal.com]

Because Sansa/Gregor and Sansa/Joffrey.aren't chuck full of "abuse is ok and means he loves you and the power of love will change him into a fluffy bunny and the age difference isn't creepy at all."

Also, there's more San/San, which exponentially increases it's annoyance and creepy factor.

[streussal.livejournal.com]

Also Sansa/Tyrion.

...I haven't actually read/watched this series, but I know people who are pretty into it so.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

They're aren't nearly as ubiquitous as SanSan. But I saw a Sansa/Tyrion fan compare the treatment Sansa/Tryion fans get from the rest of fandom to the civil rights movement.

Yeah...

[visp.livejournal.com]

Tyrion is actually nice to her (and not "Nice Guy" nice, just "decent and kind person" nice) and actually makes a point of defending her even before he's into her, just because he's got a sense of morality and there's shit that decent people don't allow to happen, so while I perfectly understand why she's not into him, I could prefer that pairing to "Abusive asshole who screams at her and threatens her and nearly raped her, but wasn't such a jerk as some other people were (which in the ASOIAF series is not that big an achievement).

But yeah, I'm glad that Martin made it realistic where Sansa doesn't like him or trust him and thinks he's ugly, because that's what would actually happen in real life.

[(Anonymous)]

Kudos to completely misunderstanding Sandor's relationship with Sansa.

[(Anonymous)]

You're free to find SanSan disgusting but this is fiction so who gives a fuck.

Sansa & Sandor's dynamic was hands down the most interesting part for me (at least in the 2½ books I've read so far). I know it's a thoroughly unhealthy ship but that doesn't make me want to see it any less. The world context also makes me overlook their age difference since it was fairly normal to wed 13-year-olds in the middle ages.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Ok.

[visp.livejournal.com]

since it was fairly normal to wed 13-year-olds in the middle ages.

So was throwing your shit into the street and publicly disemboweling people.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't really apply modern values to a place like Westeros, can you. If I'm going to accept the characters murdering each other with swords, I'm also going to accept them marrying 13-year-olds.

Also 13 is perfectly legal in some countries. As far as biology goes there's hardly any problem with it.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Yes you can. I can apply modern values if I want to. Look! I'll do it right now! I hate the fact that Cersei suffered marital rape even though that was not a concept that exists in that society. I can be upset with the patriarchy instead of just being like "oh well, that's how it was back then, so that's ok!"

[visp.livejournal.com]

Oookaaaay... ignoring your foray into "but it's legal somewhere...

Westeros has its own mores, but that doesn't mean that you get to get your perv on for 13-year-olds and not get called out on it. The thing about ASOIAF is that Martin doesn't say that all the shit that goes on in Westeros is awesome and moral relativism makes it all okay!

[(Anonymous)]

Hating on ships, how classy. I don't like SanSan, but bashing pairings is just not done. It's people like you who make this fandom so unpleasant. It doesn't even matter what people ship, someone is going to tell them their pairing is THE WORST. I hope you feel good about yourself.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

I DO feel good about myself actually. But thanks for your concern!

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, okay, that's nice for you. I thought maybe you'd mind being a total jerkass to other people who haven't done anything to you, but that would imply you have something like basic human decency.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Who was I a jerkass to? I'm sorry. Am I obligated to like everything that other people like in order to have "basic human decency"? I must have missed that section in the How to Be a Human handbook. :(

Seriously though. I never said I hated people who ship SanSan. Because I don't.

I just hate the ship.

How does that make me a bad person? If you can't handle someone hating something you like then... I'm sorry, but I don't know what to tell you.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

...you prefer Petyr/Sansa?

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

lol. No. I mean, I have a personal dislike for SanSan more than Petyr/Sansa because people who ship Petyr/Sansa tend to acknowledge the squickiness of it more than SanSan shippers. But both relationships are incredibly problematic.

[nahkriin.livejournal.com]

I'll have to agree with you. I don't ship it at all, and it makes me rather sad to see other pairings ignored in favour of it.


hassecretdirtywishforsandor/gregorgohgodwhat

[queen-insane.livejournal.com]

SO THIS IS REALLY LATE, BUT ONLY BECAUSE I READ FANDOM SECRETS LIKE TWICE A WEEK AND IN BUNCHES BUT I READ THIS SECRET SAID YUCK AND THEN SCROLLED PAST IT.

BUT THEN I REALIZED WHAT THE SECRET WOULD WAS ABOUT, REALIZED THAT YOU POST HERE AND SCROLLED DOWN JUST IF YOU SAID ANYTHING AND LO HERE YOU ARE.

YOU ARE MY FAVORITE SANSAN HATER <3