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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-03-23 07:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #1907 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1907 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Okay, I'll admit to having a slight learning disability which includes reading comprehension, but basically what I read is "demisexuality has no bearing on your sexual activities or who you are as a person" which means it's a completely pointless label.

As far as I understand it, "demisexuality" means you are only sexually attracted to people you've formed some emotional attachement to. This just seems like a pointless thing to label, as that's pretty much how most people are anyhow. So I'm just really confused about why anyone would call this an orientation or really bother with labeling themselves with it anyhow.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
As I understood it, most people can be sexually attracted to epople they don't know? Like actors and hot strangers for one night stands whose names they dont know or whatever. I thought that was normal, so needing a pre-existing emotional connection is weird?

Idk I'm not demisexual or anything but I'd have thought "I can find total strangers sexy from their photos based on physical appearance alone" was the norm and not being able to do that was weird

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
That's what I got. For most people, having the emotional connection is a preference. For demisexuals, it's not a preference, it's a requirement.

Technically if you want to discredit demisexuality you'd be more accurate calling it a fetish (requires emotional connection in order to be turned on) as opposed to a preference (prefers one thing over another).

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
But wasn't Vethica just saying the exact opposite? That you could be demisexual and still feel sexual attraction for celebrities and such? That's what confused me so much about their reply.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
I see where you were confused I think. She was saying you can be sexually attracted to celebrities without having sex with them as a point that attraction and having sex are different things, you can feel one without going ahead and doing the other or whatever. If you go back and read the comment though she wasn't saying demisexuals, it was a general "you" meaning people in this community who are mostly probably sexual

[identity profile] vethica.livejournal.com 2012-03-24 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, that's what I was trying to say. I'm sorry I was unclear.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
SA

Like, demisexual people can have sex with people they're not attracted to, just like sexual people can be attracted to people they're not having sex with. The point she was making was that the act of sex and the feeling of sexual attraction are separate things

It wasn't like "demisexual people crush on celebs" ... I think

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, you've somewhat cleared things up for me. Thank you for taking the time and not mocking me. I still don't fully understand the label, but at the end of the day it really doesn't effect me one way or the other and so isn't something I must fully understand.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Some other anon put it better above in this thread, like

sexual people: most of them do prefer an emotional connection but they dont NEED it to be turned on by someone

demisexual people: NEED a connection or no turning on happens, or at least thats what the label means as far as I can tell

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Okay. That makes a lot more sense. Simple sentences are great. Ha.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
So I fully admit to being asexual and therefore a little out of it when it comes to understanding sexual attraction, but I always thought when people spoke about finding celebrities sexy or whatnot they were being hyperbolic and really just saying they found them handsome/etc? Are people literally saying they are aroused by someone's looks?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
...yeah, they are. A lot of the time anyway. How do you think people fap to porn?

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
I'm asexual and I fap to porn. Being aroused by watching people have sex is very different than being aroused by seeing some celebrity standing around on a red carpet or something.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Not all porn is watching people actually have sex though. Some are just nudes and stuff like that.

People also fap to stuff like pics of celebs and stuff all the time and they dont have to be having sex for them to be sexy in the photos.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, so what you're saying is sexual attraction: I will never fully understand it. And: yes, people are literally sexually aroused when they say they find someone sexy. Got it.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
I wouldnt say they *always* are being literal, I'm sure there is exaggeration going on. But most people *do* have the ability to be aroused purely by someone else's looks, even if they're exaggerating when they go omg id totally hit that 15 times in a row. and sexually aroused doesnt have to mean suddenly you're completely horny and want sex *right now* it could be like "sorta turned on"

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't say that it's always literal. But once I honestly out loud moaned when Laura Roslin on BSG started smoking a cigar. It was unvoluntary. I don't even really moan in bed. But it happened.

I uh, later re-watched that scene for my own enjoyment.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, they're being hyperbolic, at least as far as my experiences go (as a sexual person and from, idk, not seeing friends not go full on sex mode when they see celebs they like).

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
Like another anon said though, looking at someone and feeling instant sexual attraction doesn't mean you're popping instant (lady)boners everywhere. Attraction =/= full on arousal just like "I look at you and feel attracted" =/= "oh hay I'm aroused and ready to fuck rn bb." The sexual attraction is still there though.

[identity profile] vethica.livejournal.com 2012-03-24 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, no, I didn't mean to imply sexual attraction had no impact whatsoever on sexual behavior. For most people, it will probably influence a great deal of it. But the group of people you have sex with and the group of people you're sexually attracted to usually won't be exactly the same. And I believe the point I was trying to make was that demisexuality isn't "I only have sex with people I'm close to", it's "I'm only sexually attracted to people I'm close to".

Also, I see what you're saying. Most of the time, emotional attachment and sexual attraction are connected. But (again, I can only speak for myself here) I've had a lot of crushes to whom I was very emotionally attached, but I didn't experience sexual attraction until after I began dating someone, and then only to that one person. So it seems to me that there must have been a difference there, and when it turned out that other people also were like that and had a word for it, I didn't see any reason not to use that word for myself as well.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for trying to clarify. As I said upthread, I still don't really get it, but then I don't really need to get it. If the label helps some people come to terms or understand their own reactions and sexuality then it's no skin off my nose. Again, thanks for trying and not mocking my fail at understanding. :)

[identity profile] vethica.livejournal.com 2012-03-24 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
No problem! You don't have to get it, and heck, you can disagree if you want. I'm just glad you're open to listening and not just dismissing this stuff out of hand. It means a lot to me. :)