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fandomsecrets2012-03-23 07:01 pm
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Considering Disney has so few American characters of any color in the vast majority of their animated canon and that doesn't seem to bother anyone, I sincerely doubt this.
There's also a hell of a lot of issue that they dodge by avoiding the African continent, in particular making her seem tribal or by dodging the issue and making her Egyptian which is often considered part of "Western culture" too.
That so many people really do seem to feel that drawing and/or writing fantasy with African characters is a choice between Egypt and tribes in the bush makes me so sad that I could not begin to express it. What I would give for an animated movie that finally blows that erroneous perception out of the water. Maybe some are out there and I need to stop expecting Western animators to provide it. To be honest, of all animation companies, Disney is the one I'd trust least to do it right. So maybe it's for the best.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)I thought it did, but I'm willing to concede. I just see a lot of people saying that they tried to avoid having a black character by turning Tiana into a frog for most of the movie, and while I would have liked to see her human more, I disagree with that.
That so many people really do seem to feel that drawing and/or writing fantasy with African characters is a choice between Egypt and tribes in the bush makes me so sad that I could not begin to express it.
Are there other example that you'd share of African cultures that don't fit those? I'd be very interested! I looked up Kush, but that's very similar to Egyptian in my very limited opinion.
Maybe some are out there and I need to stop expecting Western animators to provide it. To be honest, of all animation companies, Disney is the one I'd trust least to do it right. So maybe it's for the best.
I wish they would do something with the songs from the Aida musical, but wishful thinking!
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I don't think making Tiana a frog for so long was a "lol we hate black people" move, but it seemed like a really baffling and unnecessary divergence from their other princesses.
Are there other example that you'd share of African cultures that don't fit those? I'd be very interested! I looked up Kush, but that's very similar to Egyptian in my very limited opinion.
Cultures, there's too many to count. Kingdoms, the Kushite empire is my personal favorite, but if you just wanted to veer away from North Africa entirely, there's the Oyo, Benin, and Nri empires in West Africa, Kongo empire in Central Africa and the Mutapa empire in the South, among others. I've only just started researching (for a fantasy world I want to build), but there were a bunch of pre-colonial kingdoms across the continent. Wikipedia has piss-poor organization of all of them, but this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_empires) is an okay place to start.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-26 07:12 am (UTC)(link)Thank you for your examples! I'm definitely checking them out!
While I didn't say anything above, a lot of these kingdoms seem to have their best wear with a lot of patterns/texture. That's extremely problematic for traditional animation (though would be fine with CG).
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