[ SECRET POST #1930 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1930 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 110 secrets from Secret Submission Post #276.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

just wondering, do you also dislike Jack? Because, let's face it, that dude wrote the book on smugness so if 'smugness' is a factor that makes you dislike a character, you must hate Jack.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

You know there are different kinds of smugness, right? Being smug by, say, thinking you're awesome is probably what you mean, right? Heck, Donna could be kind of smug that way, too, for example (supertemp!) and I love her. I can think of other female characters from other fandoms who are, as well, and whom I love (Toph from Avatar: The Last Airbender, for example). No, what I can't stand is River's, "I'm going to mention that I know more about you than you do, but then get all coy and yell, 'Spoilers!"' type of smugness.

Oh, and, really, I don't mind River when she's just treated as another companion, like in "Time an Angels"/"Flesh and Stone". If she was some adventurer that the Doctor&Co occasionally ran into and had adventures with, that'd be fine with me (oh, hey just like the situation with Jack!). But when they get into the whole, she's this super-special amazing person with a super-secret-special relationship with the Doctor, and the plot of half a freaking season revolves around her, that's what I get annoyed about.

[dragonsofeden.livejournal.com]

This. I yo-yo between enjoying River's story and head-desking at the sheer amount of STUFF that goes into it. It's not enough that she is from the Doctor's personal future; she's also part Time Lord. It's not enough that she's Amy and Rory's child from the future; she's also the reason they got together in the first place. (Which felt incredibly retconned, by the way.) Jack's story can be summed up in three bullet points 1) he's another time traveller 2) he's from a culture where omnisexuality is the norm 3) owing to a plot point, he is now effectively immortal.

[othellia.livejournal.com]

(Which felt incredibly retconned, by the way.)

Yeah, it really was. And to the people who make defenses for Moffat (and Moffat himself) who say "Well they didn't know if they were going to get Alex Kingston back and couldn't include Mels beforehand because of that", that's total rubbish. We knew a heck of a lot more about Rose's BFF Shireen and Jackie's boyfriend (who keeps fruit in his pajamas) than we did of Mels before her super retconned four-minute introduction. And guess what? No physical actor had to be cast for them to be name-dropped.

Lazy writing. Bottom line.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not trying to speak for fenm, but did you even read their full comment? Like, at all? The smugness was the first of a whole list of things that make River annoying that also have nothing to do with gender. I personally like Jack (most of the time) and can't stand River precisely because of the plot-derailing, special snowflake syndrome that goes into River's writing, which seems to be a lot of what fenm and most of the other commentors who don't like River are getting at.