[ SECRET POST #1943 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1943 ⌋

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Comments

[hinodeh.livejournal.com]

I dunno, I think there must be some weirdass sexist assumption behind it. It is really very common. I mean, why do women in fiction always have to be the ones to rein in the manchildren?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a reaction to women complaining that they were always the ditzes and blondes in shows of the last decade. Now, in order to prove they're feminist, shows must have the woman be more competent than the men.

If shows like those are all OP can find though- sorry, OP, but you sound very young.

[hinodeh.livejournal.com]

That is a good explanation.

Agreed that there are exceptions. Still the trope is common in enough that the OP might have really so far only seen the shows that fulfill this trope. It's not completely impossible.

[xelestri.livejournal.com]

Because television producers, executives, writers and so forth are overwhelmingly female, so they're trying to prove their feminism through their works?

Oh wait

[(Anonymous)]

Because men can't be feminists?

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently not if they work in TV at the same time, going by their works.

[(Anonymous)]

Can be, but usually aren't. Also when they try, they often get it wrong because instead of asking women about their experience, they assume they know.

[(Anonymous)]

Where did you get that from? o_O

I meant that women found the stupid ditzy girl trope offensive enough and spoke up enough about it that TV execs and writers went 180 in the opposite direction for fear of being labeled old fashioned and offensive. So they went from one extreme to the other, still ignoring all of the stuff in between which was the real problem to begin with.

[(Anonymous)]

>one extreme to the other
>ignoring all of the stuff in between
>was the real problem to begin with

This is why I adore the rare *sympathetic* female villain who has reasons for being evil having nothing to do with their gender or (hetero)sexuality. How many male anti-villains full of sympathetic manpain do we get? I wish there were more female versions of those.

[childings.livejournal.com]

What's wrong with a female character who's just evil for the sake of being evil
Male characters can do it, why not women

Honestly I get more annoyed when writers feel like they have to give sympathetic excuses for women who are evil, like they're saying "oh she's a lady so she has to have a good reason to do bad things because women are nice and sweet" or something. That's why the tv version of Cersei in Game of Thrones is so annoying

[(Anonymous)]

tbh i don't want to see any characters who are evil for the sake of being evil. that's boring.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I find it amusing (sometimes, refreshing, because it rarely happens IRL) but YMMV of course

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

IMHO, she's sympathetic in the same way in the books. In both versions she has an abusive marriage. In both versions, she is in a world that doesn't value women. In both versions she had a horrible childhood and wants to show her father that she is the true Lannister lion. In both versions, she is still not a nice person and pretty evil. The only thing they really changed was making the killing of the bastards Joffrey's idea.

[(Anonymous)]

They also changed the part about her baby with Robert. In the show she loved him and was incredibly depressed when he died in infancy. In the books, she and Jaime got it aborted before Robert even knew of its existence.

[(Anonymous)]

[childings.livejournal.com]

It seems more like a lame attempt by male writers to appeal to feminism, but it just fails because feminism =/= women who are perfect and best at everything

[(Anonymous)]

because of the feeling that women are really more practical than men, more oriented towards reality, more serious, don't have their heads in the clouds, don't get distracted by nonsense and are capable of focusing on what really matters. as chesterton put it, "women are the only realists; their whole object in life is to pit their realism against the extravagant, excessive, and occasionally drunken idealism of men."

(i don't say that this is true, but it's an interesting as an idea that's been around for some time - and one that i would say is somewhat counter-intuitive in the context of the usual assumptions and stereotypes society habitually makes about gender. it's interesting because it's an idea that's out there)

[(Anonymous)]

in my experience this is largely true. there are exceptions to everything of course.

[(Anonymous)]

It's mostly women are afforded the leisure men have.

.... and yet women are STILL regarded as the irrational sex. :/

[(Anonymous)]

*aren't

[(Anonymous)]

I hate this idea, and it's crazily prevalent everywhere, and often thought to be 'progressive'. But it isn't even feminist, let alone generally enlightened, because it goes like this...

1) Men are children and women are adults
2) Therefore, men get to play while women have to do the boring stuff
3) Men are incapable of doing ordinary chores
4) Therefore, women have to do all the chores, or work at least as hard to get the men to do it
5) Men are irresponsible and women are responsible
6) Therefore, women have to take the responsibility for everything

And it all leads to boys thinking that they generally aren't supposed to be good at anything, or take responsibility for anything, or work hard for anything, because that's not what 'real' men do. And it all leads to girls thinking that they have to work twice as hard, because they need to do everything, and it's always their fault if something isn't done. And girls should have a job AND do all the household work, second shift stuff.

Basically, it's a shit deal for everyone involved and it's absolutely corrosive. It's becoming the prevailing gender assumption, in the UK anyway.

It's actually why I could never recommend the book "The Last Dragonslayer" by Jasper Fforde, to a child. I love the author, and this was an okay children's/teenage book that tried to do things, but he had to stick in a stupid line about driving licences that was this stereotype written large, and was clearly intended to be feminist, and ARGH! I don't want a child reading that and thinking it represents enlightened feminist attitudes.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you answered your own question there. Apparently all women (or all 'good' women) are mothers.

[(Anonymous)]

What's worse when they are often shown as fun-killing 'bitches' when they do rein it in. It very, very rarely happens to the guy who's the straight-laced one because he's usually always right, while the fun-killing bitches are usually wrong in some way.

And if the guy was wrong, the chick is usually a Manic Pixie Dream Girl type....